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UROKEEPER View Profile |
Message To: Lizardguy23 In reference to Message Id: 2026380 URO AGGRESSION
Quote: first, i’m not applying general reptile knowledge
yes it seems that you are. Quote: stress does not equal handling.
no but handling equals stress Quote: uro keeper, there is really no need for sarcasm
I already said I tried to be nice. When people argue with people that have hands on experience for many years with uromastyx. I can almost guarantee you not one experienced keeper on this board regularly handles their uro. they know what happens when they do.....STRESS. As I have said before Uro’s stress much more than the typical reptile. Quote: i really dont think its funny
Neither do I , Actually it’s very serious to the animals you keep stressing. Quote: what i asked for was opinions on what could the problem have been
the problem is obvious Quote: I didnt ask for a pair of "my way or the highway" people to tell me the only way uros can be kept, as if they are some uro genius.
Uro’s can be kept in different ways.... some ways are okay and opinions vary. as long as their needs are fulfilled. and then the wrong way. we are talking about HANDLING not the only way to keep them. go ahead keep your pair in the 4x2 and the single in the 40. At this point I don’t care what you do. Just don’t come later down the road and ask "why are my Uro’s sick" or "why do they sleep all day" or "why did my uro die" we see a lot of that around here. Quote: the reason for wanting to tame my uros is so that when i do take them out for cage cleaning or whatever the case may be, they are not majorly stressed.
cleanings are not very often and it would be MUCH less stressful to give them space and get used to you more. Transfering them for cleaning every 3 to 6 months is not going to do long term damage even if they stress during this short period. now when you handle them often you are stressing them often and they will fear you. like I said before every time you pick them up outside their enclosures it breaks the trust that you have tried to build up. Quote: also, iguanas are notorious behavior, wether they are handled often or not.
you mean unpredictable? notorious? what? BTW IG’s are totally different than Uro’s. many love to be held and pet and walk around the house. maybe you should trade your uro’s and get an IG. maybe you could house it in a 6x2 for the rest of his life. Oh sorry I forgot you dislike sarcasm. |
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| 06/22/09 12:38pm |
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Jbreddawg View Profile |
Message To: Rtl402 In reference to Message Id: 2026872 URO AGGRESSION
Quote: JBred, wanna go grab a few beers while we wait for this to happen? haha
We might have quite a long wait lol |
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| 06/22/09 12:48pm |
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Lizardguy23 View Profile |
Message To: Lizardguy23 In reference to Message Id: 2026998 URO AGGRESSION
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| 06/22/09 12:53pm |
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Lizardguy23 View Profile |
Message To: Lizardguy23 In reference to Message Id: 2027003 URO AGGRESSION
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| 06/22/09 12:55pm |
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UROKEEPER View Profile |
Message To: UROKEEPER In reference to Message Id: 2027007 URO AGGRESSION
Quote: cleaning ever 3-6 monthes? i’d hate to be that uro.
I don’t think you understand the concept of cleaning an enclosure. for example I pick up fecal matter and clean soiled rocks and tiles about every other day. this keeps the substrate cleaner and the furnishings clean. I will do a full substrate change and clean the entire enclosure in the fall once they have slowed down for brumation. this keeps clean all the way until spring as they eat and defecate MUCH less. I will do the same 8in the spring and every 3 months after. Each of my Uro’s is in their own 6 foot enclosure with a good amount of substrate..... why do you feel sorry for them? I feel sorry for your Uro in the 40!!!! |
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| 06/22/09 02:08pm |
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UROKEEPER View Profile |
Message To: UROKEEPER In reference to Message Id: 2027024 URO AGGRESSION
Quote: stop acting like a 10 year old.
I already said I tried to be nice. I think you are the 10 year old arguing with everyone that handling does not cause stress. this is KNOWN. there is no guessing maybe or maybe not. HANDLING STRESSES THEM. think what you want I’m done here. you can argue all you want but i’m not responding anymore this is useless. |
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| 06/22/09 02:13pm |
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Lizardguy23 View Profile |
Message To: Lizardguy23 In reference to Message Id: 2027027 URO AGGRESSION
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| 06/22/09 02:26pm |
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Jbreddawg View Profile |
Message To: Jbreddawg In reference to Message Id: 2027007 URO AGGRESSION
Quote: why would u have to wait? have i not been replying fast enough?
Quote: 2. Everything you have mentioned on this forum leads me to believe you are a complete idiot and dont know jack about Uro’s. Waiting for you to prove that wrong...
JBred, wanna go grab a few beers while we wait for this to happen? haha Guess were gonna need more beers. Were talking about MAJOR cleaning every 3-6 months . I do spot cleaning everyday or two as do most people on here. Stressed out uro’s WILL suffer . It may not show up right away but it will have long term effects. You want to keep stressful events to a minimum and only when absolutely necessary. Taming them is not a necessary thing to do unless it’s for the owner . |
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| 06/22/09 02:28pm |
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Lizardguy23 View Profile |
Message To: Lizardguy23 In reference to Message Id: 2027030 URO AGGRESSION
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| 06/22/09 11:26pm |
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Obi Carl Kenobi View Profile |
Message To: Obi Carl Kenobi In reference to Message Id: 2027303 URO AGGRESSION
Lizardguy23 we dont attack people for no reason, if you want advice the advice is......... 1, handle your uro less 2, Dont disturb when its in its hide 3, dont question peoples knowladge when YOU need help Carl falls off desk drunk,..........zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz goodnight all |
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| 06/23/09 02:43am |
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Rtl402 View Profile |
Message To: Rtl402 In reference to Message Id: 2027303 URO AGGRESSION
So I ask again for breeders names otherwise I still believe you to not be truthful in your replies and even less caring for the well being of your Uro. You have been given good advice by several long time keepers of Uro’s, which you have basically pushed off as not being to your liking. just my 2 cents |
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| 06/23/09 01:06pm |
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Xbluex View Profile |
Message To: Xbluex In reference to Message Id: 2027525 URO AGGRESSION
Lizardguy- You should trust the people on this forum and take their advice. There are TONS of breeders who will tell you all sorts of things that could potentially be deadly to your uro. If you would post the names of these breeders then maybe someone on here could tell you if you really can trust them or not. If they are telling you to handle your uro regularly I’ll bet that they are a shady breeder who got into it for money and not for the love of the animals. If you bought a puppy from a breeder and they told you it was okay to feed your puppy pizza and choclate everyday would you trust them? You keep saying that youre not applying general reptile keeping knowledge to uro keeping, yet you keep talking about your beardies and your leos....why?? What does handling a uro have ANYTHING to do with handling a beardie? Absolutly nothing. I handle my beardies every day because they want to be out of the tank and run around and take baths. But you CAN NOT treat a uro like a beardie. You say you did research before getting your uros? Where did you research? Most of the info on the web or in the books is so outdated, and people keep re-writting the same old bad info. Post where you got your info from, who your ’trust worthy breeders’ are, your tank sizes, temps, uro sizes and ages, and all of the other questions everyone has been asking you and you have been dodging, and maybe they can help you fix your problem. If you keep thinking your doing everything right and the things that dozens of people here have told you are wrong then I wouldnt be suprised at all if you go and find a dead uro one day, or end up getting your hand bitten everyday for the rest of their lives. |
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| 06/24/09 02:16pm |
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Lizardguy23 View Profile |
Message To: Lizardguy23 In reference to Message Id: 2028097 URO AGGRESSION
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| 06/24/09 03:34pm |
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Jbreddawg View Profile |
Message To: Jbreddawg In reference to Message Id: 2028129 URO AGGRESSION
Quote: I am not the one who bought up beardeds and leos. it was Morgs71.
Not going to respond to the rest of his page long post ? |
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| 06/24/09 06:31pm |
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Jbreddawg View Profile |
Message To: Jbreddawg In reference to Message Id: 2028226 URO AGGRESSION
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| 06/24/09 06:38pm |
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Lizardguy23 View Profile |
Message To: Lizardguy23 In reference to Message Id: 2028097 URO AGGRESSION
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| 06/24/09 09:31pm |
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Rattler 98 View Profile |
Message To: Lizardguy23 In reference to Message Id: 2026991 URO AGGRESSION
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| 06/24/09 10:20pm |
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Obi Carl Kenobi View Profile |
Message To: Obi Carl Kenobi In reference to Message Id: 2028343 URO AGGRESSION
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| 06/25/09 04:19am |
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Lizardguy23 View Profile |
Message To: Lizardguy23 In reference to Message Id: 2028403 URO AGGRESSION
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| 06/25/09 12:56pm |
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Jbreddawg View Profile |
Message To: Jbreddawg In reference to Message Id: 2028605 URO AGGRESSION
 And not to worry,their not fighting there just being friends with each other  and that a 40 gallon is just perfect for him  |
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| 06/25/09 01:25pm |
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Sahells Mom View Profile |
Message To: Lizardguy23 In reference to Message Id: 2026738 URO AGGRESSION
Quote: im not an idiot
And the vote is......!!!! |
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| 06/25/09 03:27pm |
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Sahells Mom View Profile |
Message To: Lizardguy23 In reference to Message Id: 2026963 URO AGGRESSION
Taking a uro out of the enclosure drops their body temps immediately. Unless your house is 120 degrees, he is cold. Young are much more susceptible to bad husbandry than older ones. Let them get used to you for three to six months, then see if you can feed them a flower (hopefully non poisonous). talk to them every time you come into the room. Move near the enclosure so they know you won’t grab them. If they are wild caught, they may never tame. Or, ... do it your way. But, word of advice? Change forums!! |
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| 06/25/09 03:39pm |
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UROKEEPER View Profile |
Message To: UROKEEPER In reference to Message Id: 2028704 URO AGGRESSION
Quote: Uro’s do not tame. They tolerate. If you want to be tolerated, you have to play by their rules
this is bang on.... I want to clarify about when I say I have a "tame" uro. when I say tame I mean she tolerates me. and when she "seeks out attention" as I said in a previous post I mean she seeks food. she is not looking to be pet or held...she is looking to eat and she recognises I do handfeedings so everytime I come in the room she is at the front of the enclosure standing on her back feet waving her arms lol. this is not a "TAME" uro it is a uro that wants a treat. when I give my oldest a treat she allows me to talk to her and pet her head. on occassion she will even walk on my hand on her own....this I believe to be a smart uro tring to trick me into more food lol...in other words she tolerates me. My 9 yr will take the odd treat by handfeeding but only when she wants to and does not completely trust me. she will take some treats but will not let me pet her on the head or she will not try and walk on my hand. I will weigh them all though and I have handled her briefly inside the enclosure until she has had enough (usually about 30 seconds) I don’t do it often only when the rare time she allows me to. the more they trust you the more you can interact with them. When I say interact I mean handfeedings and brief interactions inside their enclosure but only if they will let you. Some will never tolerate.and NONE will tame like a dog or a cat. |
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| 06/25/09 10:52pm |
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Obi Carl Kenobi View Profile |
Message To: Obi Carl Kenobi In reference to Message Id: 2028605 URO AGGRESSION
Quote: thankfully, there if other reptile forums available.
Well go use them then! We’ll see you on our "worst Youtube videos for uros" thread pretty soon no doubt. Maybe if you had taken the advice offered instead of being defensive, we wouldnt be in this situation now. I feel sorry for your uro! |
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| 06/26/09 03:11am |
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Lizardguy23 View Profile |
Message To: Lizardguy23 In reference to Message Id: 2028700 URO AGGRESSION
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| 06/26/09 10:22pm |
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Ray_Cottrell View Profile |
Message To: Ray_Cottrell In reference to Message Id: 2029552 URO AGGRESSION
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| 06/28/09 11:53pm |
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Deenosmom View Profile |
Message To: Lizardguy23 In reference to Message Id: 2026991 URO AGGRESSION
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| 07/02/09 09:42pm |
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UROKEEPER View Profile |
Message To: UROKEEPER In reference to Message Id: 2033065 URO AGGRESSION
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| 07/03/09 06:30am |
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UROKEEPER View Profile |
Message To: UROKEEPER In reference to Message Id: 2033218 URO AGGRESSION
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| 07/03/09 06:53am |
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Xbluex View Profile |
Message To: Xbluex In reference to Message Id: 2028097 URO AGGRESSION
Where did you get all of your info? Who are your trustworthy breeders? What are you tank sizes, temps, lighting? How old and what size are your uros? Oh wait a second, we now know who your trustworthy breeders are, your friends who are NOT BREEDERS, but people who have uro’s and breed them. Now, how do you know that the info they’ve been giving you is good? I have a friend who keeps a breeding pair of adult bearded dragons in a 20 gallon tank. No matter how many times I tell her she cant do that she says that the pet store told her it was okay. So of course shes right!! Why? Because she’s my friend. She’s given me tons of good advice about clothes and how to do my hair, so of course shes right about the beardies!!!! You have had your single uro for over 7 years, and youve done your fair share of research from these friends and reptile expos, and that is totally valid, because the last reptile expo I went to I talked to a breeder who was selling iguanas that he fed mice to-he was telling everyone who talked to him that it was okay to feed pinkie mice to them because its so fun to watch. YES!!! OF COURSE!!! Anybody who sells reptiles at an expo must be an expert about that reptile, I must have forgotten that. If you have had your single uro for over 7 years and you have kept it in a 40 gallon breeder that whole time you should be arrested for animal abuse. Thats like keeping a 200lbs dog locked in a tiny bathroom for its whole life. Not only is the space not big enough, but you cant get the proper temps in a tank like that. You keep saying you don’t want to post here. Every post you’ve made since I made mine last week has been you saying your going to a different forum, or theres no point posting questions here, Quote: I’ve really had enough of this. none of you have helped me what so ever. thankfully, there if other reptile forums available.
Yes, it’s ture, none of us have helped you at all, because you don’t know how to listen when people give you good advice. So go already, stop replying to everyone’s posts that youve had enough, stop trying to convice yourself that we’re wrong and go to one of the hundreds of other forums so that you can go and spread your horrible husbandry on to hundreds of other people who are looking for good accurate info-who will then have to come here and get the right info from all of us who are so far beneath you with your 7 years of experience doing everything the wrong way. |
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| 07/03/09 12:02pm |
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