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 #2020240


Norf
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  Message To: Norf   In reference to Message Id: 2020231


 Mass Psychosis?

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I haven’t seen shay or Reed post anything lately.


Reed got banned...



06/11/09  09:55am

 #2020263


Silentjt
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  Message To: Silentjt   In reference to Message Id: 2020240


 Mass Psychosis?

My real issue with them is not their ideas on handling, UVB lights or any of the other usual debate topics.
What really scrolls my nerd is you have a couple people with limited experience with monitors (only having one species) and a hand full more with none what so ever correcting and criticizing the methods and practices of keepers of multiple species and/or far more experience.
Even with things toned down, there’s still digs from Ig. owners about housing multiple monitors together and statements like "top authorities say blah, blah".


Just my two cents...or lack of sense.
Jesse



06/11/09  10:55am

 #2020387


Norf
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  Message To: Norf   In reference to Message Id: 2020263


 Mass Psychosis?

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What really scrolls my nerd is you have a couple people with limited experience with monitors (only having one species) and a hand full more with none what so ever


Haha, geez. That was totally directed towards me... -__-



06/11/09  02:23pm

 #2020458


3240
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  Message To: 3240   In reference to Message Id: 2020263


 Mass Psychosis?

I agree Jesse. One person owns a docile ornate and all of the sudden every large species can be turned into a scaly puppy dog using his "proven" methods.



06/11/09  04:21pm

 #2020486


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  Message To: Sidbarvin   In reference to Message Id: 2020458


 Mass Psychosis?

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I agree Jesse. One person owns a docile ornate and all of the sudden every large species can be turned into a scaly puppy dog using his "proven" methods.


Yes, and take into consideration the husbandry practices of that particular individual and how that is likely a huge factor when it comes to the docility of his animal. My niles wile climb right up me the same way but about twenty times faster leaving me with nasty scratches, more like lacerations hahaha. Another difference is my niles shoot first and ask questions later when it comes to hands near the head;).



06/11/09  05:00pm

 #2020498


Manchild
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  Message To: Manchild   In reference to Message Id: 2020486


 Mass Psychosis?

I have asked several times about how his set up is,all get is his friends telling me to look at his video.If you look at the video you will see that it looks a bit small.He claims that his monitor is 12 years old,if he is using the same practices that were being used 12 years ago than his temps are probably to low.He claims his temps are where they should be but the rest of the bs he was telling KIDS was information that I have read in out dated books


greg



06/11/09  05:21pm

 #2020504


Sidbarvin
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  Message To: Sidbarvin   In reference to Message Id: 2020498


 Mass Psychosis?

I read on one of his posts he keeps a basking area of 110 f.



06/11/09  05:27pm

 #2020548


Reptileboy19
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  Message To: Reptileboy19   In reference to Message Id: 2020504


 Mass Psychosis?

He also said it can go up to 130, I just dont understand how it would vary by 20 degrees. If it can go up, isnt it possible to go down 20 degrees aswell.
Matt



06/11/09  06:42pm

 #2029974


Removed By System
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  Message To: StFofA   In reference to Message Id: 2020548


 Monitors

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06/27/09  07:46pm

 #2029994


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  Message To: StFofA   In reference to Message Id: 2029974


 Monitors

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06/27/09  08:25pm

 #2030015


Sidbarvin
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  Message To: Sidbarvin   In reference to Message Id: 2029994


 Mass Psychosis?

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At the HC, We don’t bother about the affairs of other forums! Why don’t you all mind your own bussiness?


Hahahaha!!!!!!!! Then what the heck are you doing over here pal? You seem to be full of foolish contradictions.
As a subscribed member of HC I imagine you must be a bit sore over the warning from an administrator of your precious site for your blatant disregard for the forum rules, ignorance and outright rudeness.

Here’s an idea; how about you invite your pals from over there to this site and we can have a real discussion on common ground where nobody has to operate under any false pretense of "politeness". This way we can all speak frankly about our own practices as well as state our opinions of the practices of others without being banned.

The thread topic could read something like "Advanced husbandry 101"



06/27/09  09:02pm

 #2030033


Manchild
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  Message To: Manchild   In reference to Message Id: 2029994


 Mass Psychosis?

Nice to see you Og now i can speak with you and not worry about being reprimanded from the admin.After the big blow up over the handling issue it settled down there was some grate discussion about uv,housing,food,proper temperature ect.if you go back and read the threads no one had any problems but you.Haslet said it best you guys had a click,some one post a picture of a baby savanna monitor in a 40gallon tank with 3 lights 150,100,and 75 with a screen top trying to feed it in her lap will the lizard ran around with it mouth open and you all said keep up the good work.

Now you want to talk about me being rude if yo remember I posted pictures of my monitors and was asked how where they to handle and I said I do not hold them and you guys attacked me I tried to help the girl with the savanna and again was attacked.So I started a thread about handling and once again I WAS attacked.You offered up no discussion on anything just I was wrong and you where right that was it .

Some people showed up with REAL EXPERINCE things started to settle down except any time some one disagreed with you.You decided if we don’t agree with you,your not going to play anymore and that didn’t work so you told your mom on us I expect that out of my six year old not a grown man

greg




06/27/09  09:38pm

 #2030075


Darthwookie
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  Message To: Darthwookie   In reference to Message Id: 2030033


 Mass Psychosis?

Has this really gone this far...........IT IS A FORUM (or a couple in this case.)



06/27/09  10:53pm

 #2030126


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  Message To: Crocdoc   In reference to Message Id: 2030075


 Mass Psychosis?

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Some of you asked me yesterday on the HC what problem did I have with you! This entire thread answers that question!


This all sounds sincere and justified, until one realises that it was me asking that question of you yet I have not contributed to this thread until now.



06/28/09  12:38am

 #2032908


HCRich
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  Message To: HCRich   In reference to Message Id: 2030126


 Mass Psychosis?

If my name doesn’t inform you of who I am, let me introduce myself. lol I am Rich, the owner of the site being discussed. (Herp Center)

HC isn’t like other forums. It is more family oriented than what most people are accustomed to when dealing with forums. That is why my staff and I run the site the way we do. The rules will be followed or we simply remove users. That’s why more than 80% of HC’s users are adults or mature teens. The average kid wouldn’t last on HC.

The monitor forums on HC have always been slow. Dave has been in and out for some time, but there has always been very little activity. Without a larger group of users sharing their own experiences, the information would be restricted to come from those who did own them and those who thought they had the answers.

When some of you came over and started posting, you got your message lost in the way you posted. Being rude and belligerent (this doesn’t pertain to all of you. Just a select few.) doesn’t earn you respect. It doesn’t make people want to listen to you. It makes you look like a punk and makes me want to delete you. Norf was a great example of that. Posting like that certainly doesn’t leave a good impression of this site and the users coming over.

There were a handful of users who had no experience with monitors who clashed with some of the members of this site. Some of that had to do with the initial postings of Norf and even the post Roger left up before I banned him. Then the thread over here that called some of them out by name didn’t do much justice for respectability either. Some of those users took it personal and kept the arguing going. MOST of them have chatted with me and have walked away and some even toned down and started participating in the discussions.

Some have said that HC did a 360 when you came over. All you actually saw was the staff handling those users who were still pushing the envelope with how they were posting. Once everyone had a chance to calm down over the initial BS that went on, HC started going back to how HC typically is.

I didn’t just send warnings out to those users from this site who were getting mixed up in the nonsense. I sent it to the existing users who were also mixed up in it.

I am all for the new activity within the monitor forums. The only thing I am hoping for is that the undertones of the posting remain like this thread:

http://www.herp center.com/monitors/24762-what-makes-quality-enclosure.html (Remove the space)

That thread has loads of info, different opinions, and yet I haven’t had to ban anyone as a result of it. lol More people will be able to learn from threads like that than those where everyone is acting like a fool.



07/02/09  04:37pm

 #2032946


Norf
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  Message To: Norf   In reference to Message Id: 2032908


 Mass Psychosis?

Hey Rich, what’s up?
You like talking about me don’t you?

Kidding. But really, welcome to Repticzone!
I didn’t think you’d ever come on here.

All we need now is Stefan and Dragoness :)



07/02/09  05:57pm

 #2032978


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  Message To: Silentjt   In reference to Message Id: 2032908


 Mass Psychosis?

Good form Rich. Two thumbs up.


Jesse



07/02/09  06:41pm

 #2032983


HCRich
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  Message To: HCRich   In reference to Message Id: 2032946


 Mass Psychosis?

I don’t talk "about" people norf. It isn’t my nature. I am a father of 2 and have better things to do. I simply tell it how it is. You were rude and disrespectful. You did nothing more than start arguments. You weren’t there to try and educate. You were there to stir the pot and act like a kid. As a result, you got booted. I am not "talking about you", I am telling you what went down. I am not having the same issue with the other guys who have been posting. Just you, and the single post by Roger.

Why wouldn’t I show my face on this site? I am fairly confident that the users who are members of both sites would agree that I am a fair person in how I have handled things. They didn’t see me in the threads pretending to have the answers. I don’t keep monitors. I don’t feel I am in a position to teach about monitors since my knowledge is limited.

I did get into that chat with you via the profiles over your lighting though. I wasn’t alone in my opinion though it seems. Dave posted in your lighting thread:

"Norf, those lights do look awfully close to the monitor - it wouldn’t take much for it to lift its head and get a burn. I’d replace those bulbs with halogens and raise the whole set-up."

Seems he and I think a great deal alike. You even stated you thought about it, but then changed your mind. Go figure. ;)

I only had to remove 2 users over this mess. The rest of the group is still posting away. In fact, there is a great thread going that I linked in my preceeding post.

I have no reason NOT to post here Norf. If you think I am afraid of a little bashing, well you clearly don’t know me very well. lol



07/02/09  06:47pm

 #2032990


HCRich
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  Message To: HCRich   In reference to Message Id: 2032983


 Mass Psychosis?

Glad you like the site Jesse. lol ;)



07/02/09  06:51pm

 #2033017


3240
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  Message To: 3240   In reference to Message Id: 2032990


 Mass Psychosis?

Great post Rich.



07/02/09  08:03pm

 #2033043


Bitinglittlewitch
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  Message To: Bitinglittlewitch   In reference to Message Id: 2033017


 Mass Psychosis?

HAHAHA HAHA! Hilarious! Here were a bunch of the yahoos, boneheads, pinheads and kids from here (notice I am on here :) go over there to a nice English Tea Party board of friends and start turning over tables, breaking tea cups and busting up the place. Then The Innkeeper took by scruff of neck and booted out. Hahahahahahahaha! High entertainment!

OK, about that great big huge NICE Nile. He can’t have been killed early by all those horrible keeping practices. Look at the size of him! Rocks the boat, doesn’t he?



07/02/09  09:04pm

 #2033051


Sidbarvin
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  Message To: Sidbarvin   In reference to Message Id: 2033017


 Mass Psychosis?

Thank you for coming over here Rich. I would like to apologize for my last comments on your monitor forum. Really it was not meant to down your site at all as I think it is quite nice as a whole. It was more in reference to the monitor forum in particular and the regulars posting there. I am quite capable of having a mature, reasonable, adult discussion with others who are willing to do the same as you can see by the thread on quality cages I started over there.

I participate in these fora to learn and share my experience not to socialize or make friends. I am honest and generally call things the way I see them for good reason; because to me this is about the animals, not my own, or anyone elses egos, status points or any of those types of things. These fora have been a great source of learning for me and I simply feel an obligated to give back.

On the thread you banned me on, I simply became frustrated at being told basically that I was lying about my own associations with other keepers along with my own experiences with keeping varanids by someone who has no clue of who I am or what I am about. I can spot BS a mile away and have no problem calling it. There are people lurking these fora, putting what they read on them to use with the assumption that the people handing out the info are legit and have actual experience with the advice they are giving out. Handing out second hand, caresheet and off the shelf monitor husbandry book info can many times do more harm than good. The people passing this type of advice out may have the best intentions in the world and actually think they are helping when, without knowing it, they are actually doing more harm than good. That’s what I saw when I revisited the monitor forum on your site so I opted to enter into the discussion.

Please do not take offense at my comments Rich. Those who know me know that I am perhaps a bit rough around the edges and even obnoxious at times, heh, heh.

Thanks for posting over here.

Roger



07/02/09  09:21pm

 #2033062


Sdslancs
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  Message To: Sdslancs   In reference to Message Id: 2033051


 Mass Psychosis?

Rich, it seems you bring out the best in people! What a breath of fresh air. Makes a nice change from the BS we see on here all the time. Some people are just so good at talking out of both sides of their mouth, they should be in politics;)



07/02/09  09:38pm

 #2033079


HCRich
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  Message To: HCRich   In reference to Message Id: 2033051


 Mass Psychosis?

I haven’t taken any of this personal. I just enforce the rules my staff and I laid down when we launched the site. I wanted to post because I saw Mike had. I also wanted it known that everyone wasn’t grouped together based on the actions of some.

Bitinglittlewitch, I read that post like 4 times and still can’t decipher your intent behind it.

Sdslancs, I won’t be posting much here. I typically spend my time on HC coding something new. I am the "technical administrator" for the site. Occasionally I also play peace keeper. ;)



07/02/09  09:50pm

 #2033091


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  Message To: Silentjt   In reference to Message Id: 2033043


 Mass Psychosis?

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OK, about that great big huge NICE Nile. He can’t have been killed early by all those horrible keeping practices. Look at the size of him! Rocks the boat, doesn’t he?


The results of one monitor among thousands doesn’t even rock a Weeble.


Jesse



07/02/09  10:01pm

 #2033568


Norf
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  Message To: Norf   In reference to Message Id: 2033091


 Mass Psychosis?

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I am a father of 2 and have better things to do.


I’m positive...

Look Rich, this is funny.
I welcome you and try to make light of the situation and off you go about our past conflicts. Get over it.

Quote:

If you think I am afraid of a little bashing, well you clearly don’t know me very well.


Where did I say anything about that?

You took my response towards your arrival a bit too defensively.

Also, I agreed to raise the lighting in my argus’ enclosure. And so I will.

I was also told that covering the light’s with wire mesh was a terrible idea. I recall that being one of your propositions.

My intentions are not to anger you. Calm down and enjoy yourself.







07/03/09  08:03pm

 #2033792


HCRich
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  Message To: HCRich   In reference to Message Id: 2033568


 Mass Psychosis?

You know what I see Norf? I see you trying to make light of everything now and you trying to save a little face.

You posted that "all you need is Stefan and Dragoness" since I joined already. Seeing as most of the arguing was with Stefan and Dragoness, how else would that read? I think you anticipated me getting bashed on this site and were surprised I would walk into it. Then you read my posts and what the others had to say and now you are back peddling to save face.

You are as transparent as glass Norf.



07/04/09  12:10pm

 #2033887


Norf
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  Message To: Norf   In reference to Message Id: 2033792


 Mass Psychosis?

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You are as transparent as glass Norf.


Unfortunately for you, the glass isn’t transparent enough.

Bringing up Stefan and Dragoness was a bit of an inside joke.
I didn’t think you’d take it the way you did. But we all have different reactions.


Quote:

I think you anticipated me getting bashed on this site and were surprised I would walk into it.


Wrong again. I didn’t think you’d ever come here at all.
The fact that you showed up really surprised me, I admit, but I did not ’anticipate you getting bashed’ if you ever did.
I didn’t think you’d not come here because of fear but because I thought you didn’t like it here. You made that pretty clear back on HC.

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Then you read my posts and what the others had to say and now you are back peddling to save face.


No. I’m not.
It’s funny how every time you respond, you act like you have everything so figured out.
You try to be clever, but you’re not.

I hate to say this, I really do but I’m through talking with you.
I was sick of you back at HC, and now you brought the fight here. Say I’m ’back peddling’ or whatever you want, I’m walking out of this.
(before I get banned here too :)

Quote:

I am a father of 2 and have better things to do.


Now’s your chance to do one of those things...



07/04/09  02:38pm

 #2034081


HCRich
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  Message To: HCRich   In reference to Message Id: 2033887


 Mass Psychosis?

;) My feet would be tired too.



07/04/09  09:45pm

 #2034101


Norf
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  Message To: Norf   In reference to Message Id: 2034081


 Mass Psychosis?

Hilarious...



Last one.



07/04/09  10:27pm
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