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 #2315144


Jyadeef
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 Help needed!!

We have had a water dragon for over a year now, it was very young when we got it, was great moved around the viv all the time etc. for the last few months now it has been going down hill. Won’t move, stays in the same spot on the bottom of the viv all the time, eyes closed won’t eat or drink. We took it to our local vets and they had no idea about it what so ever. We don’t have a reptile vet near us so really unsure of what to do. We have correct temps uv bulb etc. it done so dwell for around 11 months after getting it and now just feel extremely sorry for it as have no idea what’s going on. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance



10/09/15  10:55am

 #2315145


Takahiro111
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  Message To: Jyadeef   In reference to Message Id: 2315144


 Help needed!!

Could be parasites or something else..is he getting calcium. I’ll give you a list of common illnesses in CWDs if hes having symptoms of any you’ll have to find a herp vet and being lethargic is a red flag.

Common Ailments of Chinese Water Dragons in Captivity

Internal Parasites
      Seen mainly in wild caught water dragons, but captive bred animals can be contaminated with internal parasites by cross contamination with other infected animals or through some food items.


     The parasite load is generally worsened by poor import and pet trade conditions. Internal parasites in a newly acquired reptile who may be stressed and suffering from other ailments can become opportunistic and overwhelm the animal causing lethargy, lack of, or decreased, appetite, diarrhea or loose smelly frequent stool, and failure to thrive. I believe it to be one of the leading causes of death in newly acquired animals.


      This ailment requires a visit to the vet, or at least a fresh stool sample being taken to the vet. The vet will determine what kind of parasites the animal might have and prescribe the proper medications to eradicate them. Over the counter meds, and medications bought in pet stores are usually not sufficient!


Metabolic Bone Disease (Hypocalcemia or hypercalcemia)
      This is a very serious ailment that requires immediate veterinary attention of you suspect your dragon has MBD. The true name of this disorder is Nutritional Secondary Hyperparathyroidism. Causes include a poor diet low in calcium and or very high in phosphorus; insufficient UVB lighting by either inadequate exposure to unfiltered sunlight on a regular basis, or inadequate exposure to specially formulated FLUORESCENT TUBES that produce light in the 290 to 310 nm range (where UVB is located in the spectrum), or improperly set up fluorescent lighting; and/or inadequate heating (reptiles need to be kept at their proper temperature setting so that they may digest their food, and thus absorb the calcium and other nutrients in the food items properly).

      Symptoms of metabolic bone disease include muscle tremors, spontaneous bone fractures, skeletal deformities, and inadequately calcified eggs. For more information seeCalcium Deficiency in herbivore and omnivorous reptiles the MBD page


Rostral/Snout Damage
      Generally seen in Wild caught dragons that have been hurt during importation, or in water dragons that have been kept in either too small enclosures, or glass walled enclosures. Water dragons do not understand the concept of glass and will repeatedly bang their snouts against the glass (and screen!) while trying to get out of the enclosure. Snout damage and banging can lead to infection, mouthrot and major tissue damage. Severe injury can result in tissue being rubbed off, and even bone infection and bone death. The tissue and bone will not grow back if it is damaged. Preventing snout rubbing behaviour is the key to preventing such damage.

I have also created a page dedicated to recognizing snout damage and resolving the problems that cause it, please visit the Snout Rubbing- Effects of, and Prevention page for more information.



Stomatitis (Mouthrot)
      Most often seen in water dragons with snout damage, or systemic infections due to improper environment or stress. Please see the "Stomatitis (Mouthrot) Page. If this ailment is not taken care of properly at home or by a vet using prescribed medications it can lead to systemic infection and death.

Swollen/Infected Limbs
      Usually a sign of MBD or fractures due to MBD, or getting caught in inappropriate tank set-ups. Please see diet, Lighting, and The Enclosure.

Articular/Periarticular/Pseudo Gout
      Water dragons that are affected with this ailment will have hard swellings of the joint or digits that may eventually involve the entire hand or foot.


     Please note that symptoms of this disorder are very similar to metabolic bone disease- only veterinary assessment will determine which disorder your animal is truly suffering from. Deformities may eventually occur that will result in problems that prevent normal movement. This ailment seems to occur most often in male water dragons.

     No effective treatment has been found at this time. It is thought that a varied diet and the provision of clean water on a regular basis may prevent this disorder. I have written a page with more information about this disorder. Please visit my gout page.

Gastroenteritis
      Symptoms include loss of weight, listlessness, loss of appetite, and diarrhea. If your dragon exhibits these symptoms please take it to a veterinarian to have it’s stools checked for protozoan, bacterial or worm infections. Your dragon could die if this is left untreated. Please see Purchasing a Water Dragon for further information.

Respiratory Infection
      Respiratory infections are usually caused by inadequate heat, and by being kept under stressful conditions. Reptiles often do a good job of not demonstrating obvious signs of illness until a disease has progressed to the point that it cannot be easily treated. Signs and symptoms of respiratory infections include reduced appetite, listlessness, swollen appearance of the body, and as the infection progresses gaping followed by occasional forced exhalations. If you suspect that your water dragon has a respiratory infection he should be taken to the vet, who will probably place him on antibiotics, and the cage temperature should be increased to 85 - 88 F around the clock until the symptoms subside.


Egg Binding-Dystocia
      A small percentage of female water dragons suffer from egg binding or dystocia. If you have a female water dragon or suspect that you have you should read the dystocia document, as all female water dragons are able to produce eggs whether they have a male companion or not, and if they can become gravid they can become egg bound. Adequate housing and temperatures, diet, calcium supplementation, exercise and the provision of an egg laying box during the breeding season (December to June- sometimes even longer) will go a long way towards preventing this serious ailment.

Mite and Tick infestation
      Mite and tick infestation is a common problem with water dragons, and other herps for that matter, that have been kept in poor conditions during shipping, and while being kept in the pet shop. When you bring your new dragon home there is a very high possibility that it may in fact have some ticks and or mites on it. If ticks and mites are allowed to flourish they can become quite difficult to eradicate, and may in fact stress your dragon to the point of it’s becoming ill, not to mention that a very bad infestation of mites and ticks on your dragon could cause quite a severe blood loss, and skin damage. Please see the Mite and Tick eradication Page for further details.

Fungal or bacterial infections
      Occasionally a water dragon may be purchased whose skin is infected by a fungal or bacterial growth. Fungal and bacterial infections are usually caused by being kept in too damp and enclosure and living in a poorly cleaned cage where fungi and bacteria can grow and spread in the warm moist conditions that they love.


      It is very important to set up the enclosure properly. Water dragons need a humid environment, but proper ventilation is necessary to help prevent the build up of bacteria and fungi in the cage. Substrate may be slightly damp to the touch but should not be too moist. Water containers should be changed and cleaned daily, if the water is being filtered you might be able to go a few days without changing the water, but do remember water quality and cleanliness are very important in order to maintain the health of your animal.

      The affected area’s may have darkened swollen scales that are discoloured. Two of my dragons had a fungal infection when purchased and they had several dark brown swollen (almost appeared fluid filled) scales on their underside and tails. The scales may be lifted and or damaged in areas (Keep in mind that scale damage could also be caused by mites, ticks and or crickets in the enclosure).

      If you suspect that your dragon has a fungal or bacterial infection you should take it to a qualified reptile vet for diagnosis. The vet will likely give you an antibiotic or anti-fungal cream to apply to the affected areas. Clean the enclosure thoroughly disinfecting branches and the water container with a mild bleach solution. Replace the substrate and any other cage furniture that is easily replaceable in order to limit the spread of infection. In conjunction with a topical antibacterial or anti-fungal ointment the dragon may be bathed in 80-85F chest deep water that has betadine (enough betadine to make the water a med. tea colour) in it for a half an hour per day for a couple of weeks. The spots should improve slowly over time, but it make take one or two sheds for the area to look healthy again.


Toe, Spike or end of tail damage and loss
      Darkening of, obvious damage to, and loss of toes, spikes and the end of the tail can be the result of a number of problems.

      Improper Shedding can result in the skin becoming stuck to a toe, spike or the end of the tail. If the skin remains stuck onto the appendage while the tissue below continues to grow the circulation to the area may become decreased and lead to dry gangrene, infection, and death of the tissue.

      Breaks from falls or becoming stuck in tight areas can result in broken toes, or the end of the tail snapping off. The end of the tail may also snap off if grabbed in an effort to keep the struggling animal from getting away, or may even drop suddenly when the animal is frightened by something (although this last is least likely to occur with water dragons).

      It is always wise to take your reptile in for a visit to the vet if there has been an unexplained fracture of the toe, foot or leg (for the animals sake!) because the break could be a sign and symptom of a more serious ailment such as Metabolic bone disease (often calcium deficiency). If your reptile is suffering from MBD it is best to catch it in the early stages before it becomes so serious as to cause irreparable damage (bent crooked back, misaligned jaw!) or death.



10/09/15  01:19pm

 #2315160


Cphill58
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  Message To: Takahiro111   In reference to Message Id: 2315145


 Help needed!!

Copy and paste TAK??? really
List a reference / credit source

Tricias water dragon .com
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here is some info on the dangerous UVB compact lamps
reptile uv

If these symptoms fit the circumstances turn off the UVB lamp for a week - 10 days and see if it improves.

Here is another link to caring for the CWD

Tricias water dragon




10/10/15  11:56am

 #2315178


Takahiro111
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  Message To: Cphill58   In reference to Message Id: 2315160


 Help needed!!

I got it from the site so he’ll know if his pet is having one of these problems...i dont know how to do the thing were they can click the link when you post a message. Not really my fault for trying to help someone



10/11/15  02:04pm

 #2315184


Cphill58
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  Message To: Takahiro111   In reference to Message Id: 2315178


 Help needed!!

On bottom of this message box it says SPELL CHECKER.... LINK MAKER.... IMAGE MAKER etc.

Lets work on LINK MAKER
after you have copied the web addy come back here and click LINK MAKER
Pate the link in the first line of the box that opens
Type the nick name of that link in the second box.... keep it short it will run out of characters.
CLICK Send to message box

It will appear... preview your message and test the link ... then POST the message



10/12/15  11:10am

 #2315192


Takahiro111
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  Message To: Cphill58   In reference to Message Id: 2315184


 Help needed!!

Thank u



10/13/15  04:20pm

 #2315236


Cphill58
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  Message To: Takahiro111   In reference to Message Id: 2315192


 Help needed!!

Thank you ... for what
make a link and try it ...otherwise you will never get it

Test it here next message ...any site .. any link



10/15/15  11:59pm

 #2315252


Bakerzx
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  Message To: Cphill58   In reference to Message Id: 2315236


 Help needed!!

OK... Let’s get user usage out of the way...
I feel for you and my heart is breaking.
Is there an exotic vet ANYWHERE? Look into this. SERIOUSLY!
Has this been a steady decline or just out of left field?
Light is key. End of sentence. You can do all the temps, the diet, the enclosure, but if you don’t have full spectrum along with UVB/UVA you’re looking for a disaster. This has been the hardest lesson I learned.
If beyond this you still have problems. Try crushing up commercial diet for omnivores and mixing it with honey. Dab the slurry on the nose of your dragon and they should lick it off. This is a great technique to get any medication or supplement to your dragon. Dragons LOVE sweet things. I’m currently using strawberries as a treat for my skittish female rescue to entice her and make her realize I give treats and love in hopes to tame her.
Best of luck and I HIGHLY RECOMMEND going to an exotic vet.



10/16/15  06:22pm

 #2315253


Takahiro111
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  Message To: Cphill58   In reference to Message Id: 2315184


 Help needed!!

CWD help



10/16/15  06:25pm

 #2315272


Cphill58
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  Message To: Takahiro111   In reference to Message Id: 2315253


 Help needed!!

NICE TAK



10/18/15  10:34am

 #2315274


Cphill58
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  Message To: Cphill58   In reference to Message Id: 2315272


 Help needed!!

If the original poster ever comes back I( have more info about UVB issues and bad lamps ...possible photo kerato conjunctivitis

BAD UVB LAMPS



10/18/15  10:43am


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