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Rocker3 View Profile |
Cphill can u help me with a light question?
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| 08/20/08 04:39pm |
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Ninj726 View Profile |
Message To: Rocker3 In reference to Message Id: 1837344 Cphill can u help me with a light question?
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| 08/20/08 06:22pm |
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Mama42 View Profile |
Message To: Ninj726 In reference to Message Id: 1837465 Cphill can u help me with a light question?
i have a Reptisun 10.0 made by Zoomed. i got the 10.0 because of 2 reasons... 1..is because of the screen top. the UVB only puts off HALF of the rays through a screen, than if it was inside the cage. make sense??? ok 2. ..is because of it being on the top. so, a 5.0 would be if it was inside where the dragons get it directly and if the cage isnt that tall. water dragons know when theyve had enough, thats when they move away from it. also to get away from the heat. Chris is the Guru on this, so i cant tell you all the specs and advantages of each light. but, i know that everyone here is going to the MVB. it is suppose to make your dragon more alert and eat more. have you read that post? its just under this one somewheres...i bumped it up for you. its called "lets all talk UVB" by cphill. its not only his insight, but a lot of us have posted with different opinions. after reading some of the first posts, i believe your UVB is ok. but, dont quote me..lol i am no Guru!!! haha... just wanted to add my 2 cents... |
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| 08/20/08 06:36pm |
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Tarkah View Profile |
Message To: Mama42 In reference to Message Id: 1837478 Cphill can u help me with a light question?
pure calcium, No D3 or phoshorus. this will be listed on the calcium container also note to NOT buy reptiglo 10.0 or compact uvb lights (spirally kind) |
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| 08/20/08 06:40pm |
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Clouddancer22 View Profile |
Message To: Mama42 In reference to Message Id: 1837478 Cphill can u help me with a light question?
No, a waterdragon will not nibble on calcium blocks. You must buy a calcium dust with no d3 and no phosphorus and dust the crx with it about every other feeding. Also, you will need a vitamin supplement and give it once to twice per week. |
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| 08/20/08 06:46pm |
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Mama42 View Profile |
Message To: Clouddancer22 In reference to Message Id: 1837496 Cphill can u help me with a light question?
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| 08/20/08 06:50pm |
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Ninj726 View Profile |
Message To: Mama42 In reference to Message Id: 1837502 Cphill can u help me with a light question?
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| 08/20/08 06:58pm |
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Mama42 View Profile |
Message To: Ninj726 In reference to Message Id: 1837511 Cphill can u help me with a light question?
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| 08/20/08 07:04pm |
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Ninj726 View Profile |
Message To: Mama42 In reference to Message Id: 1837518 Cphill can u help me with a light question?
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| 08/20/08 07:10pm |
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Clouddancer22 View Profile |
Message To: Ninj726 In reference to Message Id: 1837521 Cphill can u help me with a light question?
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| 08/21/08 12:27am |
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Mama42 View Profile |
Message To: Clouddancer22 In reference to Message Id: 1837834 Cphill can u help me with a light question?
i wanna see some piccies of it!!!  |
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| 08/21/08 12:46am |
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Cphill58 View Profile |
Message To: Mama42 In reference to Message Id: 1837853 Cphill can u help me with a light question?
I have always used jurrasi-cal...pure calcium no d-3...no phosphurous...I used it every other day for my adult male...Do you think you have a problem? And need more than that, I can recommend other products for emegency situations if need be. As far as the light ...I like Mercury vapor bulbs...I have enough room and it puts out heat ...just right for my 60" x30" x 20" display case...I like Mega ray 100 watt self ballasted ...T-rexUV heat is pretty good ...then there is the Hagen solar glo 125 watt too. Nancy uses those , she is from Canada and she finds them in her country easy enough... Talk at me anytime...I always check my messages...and thanks for asking... Chris...(CP) |
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| 08/21/08 04:56am |
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4Kitara View Profile |
Message To: Cphill58 In reference to Message Id: 1837943 Cphill can u help me with a light question?
If you have a large viv I would go with a mercury vapor bulb. Personally I’m torn between which ones are best. I started with the T-Rex Active UV heat and one of them burnt out within a couple weeks and the other, well....It seemed to do good for a few weeks, Kitar would sit under it and be a really bright green, but then it seemed as though it tapered off (which I’ve read this brand has a tendency to do) because he suddenly wasn’t getting as green and eventually quit basking right under it. So...I turned to the Mega Ray 160 watts. My iggy is bright green and basks under his all the time, but Kitar is still brown and hardly ever actually basks right under it, usually he’s off to the side of it. But I will say that research has shown that the Mega Ray (which is the original design and first mvb to be developed) is sturdier, lasts longer and produces the right amount of uvb/a, without uvc (which is why compacts are dangerous). If on the other hand you have a smaller cage, I would highly reccomend the Zoo Med Repti-Sun 10.0 linear tube uvb light. These need to be replaced every 10-12 months. They also need to be within 6-8 inches from basking spot in order to be effective. Much farther than that away and there is little to no uvb being absorbed. As said screens filter out 50% of the uvb output, so keep that in mind. Glass filters out 100% of uvb, just in case, lol. The compact or spirally uvb bulbs put out uvc as well as uvb and uva. Uvc is VERY dangerous and causes photokeratinconjuctivitus (sp) which starts as an eye infection. The first symptoms of this are the animal keeping it’s eyes closed and not opening them. It then progresses to more severe stages before finally killing the animal. The only way to reverse the effects of this "disease" is to remove the "bad" light and replace it with a proper light, along with antibiotic eye drops in more progressed cases. Some of the linear tube lights have been found to have this problem as well, which is why we only recomend the Zoo Med Repti Sun 10.0 or 5.0 linear tubes. With the 5.0, it’ll need to be replaced every 6 months and be much closer to your dragon, especially if there is a screen in between them. While cwd’s bask in the shades of trees and it may seem that 5.0 is all they require, we prefer to give them the option of more, since after all neither of these bulbs puts out the strength of uvb that you would actually find in the shaded trees of Southeast Asia. They regulate their own need for uvb and know whether they need more or less, so by providing them with more they are given the option. I hope this helps and let us know if you have any more q’s!!!!! |
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| 08/21/08 11:58am |
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Cphill58 View Profile |
Message To: 4Kitara In reference to Message Id: 1838180 Cphill can u help me with a light question?
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| 08/21/08 02:43pm |
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4Kitara View Profile |
Message To: Cphill58 In reference to Message Id: 1838357 Cphill can u help me with a light question?
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| 08/21/08 04:37pm |
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Mama42 View Profile |
Message To: 4Kitara In reference to Message Id: 1838477 Cphill can u help me with a light question?
i am torn between getting a MVB or the same Reptisun 10.0. my viv isnt as big as some of the others... |
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| 08/21/08 05:25pm |
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Rocker3 View Profile |
Message To: Mama42 In reference to Message Id: 1838538
but today i have some more time. and yeah i was worried that since izzy was torrmenting eddy and chasing him to the bottom of the cage that he wasn’t getting enough heat or calcium. so i wasn’t sure if i should more calcium in daily meals and make sure he basks under the power more than the regular uva bulb. the cage he’s currently in is 4ft high and the powersun bulb is mercury vapor bulb and is 100w. is that enough(plus dusted mealworms)? since he is still a young about a year or so how often does he need the mealworms dusted? which by the is REP-CAL phosphorus-free, calcium with VIT.d3. is d3 bad? cause i thought that it was what they needed. and i do have an extro-terra uvb tube it’s not long but it’s what i used before i got the powersun. and it’s only about 4-6 months old. and the powersun is about 4 or 5 months old. i forget how long do those last for?  |
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| 08/21/08 05:50pm |
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4Kitara View Profile |
Message To: Rocker3 In reference to Message Id: 1838560 Cphill can u help me with a light question?
Is mealworms all they will eat?? You really should try to get them eating something different. Mealworms don’t have much nutrition in them and are high in chiten which can cause problems. Can’t remember atm if it causes impaction or if it binds to the calcium and keeps the calcium from being absorbed, but pretty sure it is one of those 2. I would also suggest using a vitamin supplement once or twice a week if you aren’t already. I hate to say this but it sounds like you may have a problem on your hands between your 2 dragons. If one is chasing the other down it could cause the other added stress and keep it from getting what it needs, ie uvb, heat, food, water dish etc. If there is a big size difference between them then you could even wind up with a injured, or worse, Eddie. I would take into consideration seperating them if it is a continuing problem or if there is a big size difference. Hope I’ve been some help, and yeah I know all about being busy! LOL!! Just started back to college and wouldn’t ya know it I got sick the day before classes started! Urg.....I hate having to go to school sick! LOL! Anyway good luck and let us know if you have any more q’s!! |
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| 08/21/08 09:18pm |
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Cphill58 View Profile |
Message To: 4Kitara In reference to Message Id: 1838797 Cphill can u help me with a light question?
Quote: the powersun bulb is mercury vapor bulb and is 100w. is that enough
That depends on the distance the dragons can get to or under it ...How do they reach the basking area?...what temps are at the basking area...and what temps are at the bottom. Do you have any other heat sources? Quote: calcium with VIT.d3
This is not a good thing ...It must be D3 free or you risk over dosing the reptile if you use it too much ...along with the UVB light...The UVB produces D3 in the reptiles naturally ...that is why we buy the special lights ....to simulate the sun.....If the sun causes them to produce D3 and the UVB causes them to produce D3 ...then you don’t need to add more. Quote: extro-terra uvb tube it’s not long but it’s what i used before i got the powersun
You are talking about a compact bulb aren’t you ...the curly or U shaped tube / screw in bulb ...these are bad ...if I am right it looks like the bulbs I posted about in the Bearded dragon Forum...check this link out Link If it looks like that ...it’s not the safest bulb to use ...here are the reports... Link Like Kitara was saying meal worms aren’t the greatest ...they have a exoskeleton that is hard to digest ... Super worms are much better( Zophobas) even though they look the same but bigger they are easier to digest ...crickets and fish ..roaches / locust/ earthworms/ red worms...butter worms / silk worms. small / baby mice...called fuzzys...or pinkies If the one continues to chase the other ...As Kitara said ...you got a problem ....one will surely cause the other to eat less and be stressed. I can’t remember ...did you ever say how big they are?? OK that’s about all for now CP |
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| 08/22/08 01:00am |
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Cphill58 View Profile |
Message To: Cphill58 In reference to Message Id: 1838992 Cphill can u help me with a light question?
I had a thought ....if you set up another basking spot in the big Viv ...you might be able to have Izzy at the top and the other down lower...this means you will need another light and heat zone anyway ...and if it doesn’t work ...you could continue building Viv # 2 and still have all your supplies ready to go. CP |
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| 08/22/08 02:00am |
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Mama42 View Profile |
Message To: Cphill58 In reference to Message Id: 1839032 Cphill can u help me with a light question?
and you could add another "room"...yknow? theres lots of ways... |
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| 08/22/08 02:30am |
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Rocker3 View Profile |
Message To: Mama42 In reference to Message Id: 1839049 Cphill can u help me with a light question?
the cage is 2x2x4. the powersun is about ten inches away from the hammock, i know that they need to be with in a foot of the light to get the uvb rays. and i have seperated them so eddy is getting more uvb now and i hope the eddy isn’t really stressed still. the hammock is about 90-100 degrees and the shelf where the is about a few inches lower with the 150w light is about 100-110 or so. and a foot down or so is about 80-90, the bottom of the cage is like 70-80 maybe a little colder. the extro-terra uvb bulb is little like that it looks more like those energy saving bulbs that are twisted i’m not sure what the difference between the one that you showed me on your link chris than the one that i have. but i’m sure you’d know all the pros and cons about the stuff cause i heard that you did a lot of research of that stuff(which i have thankful for). i probally haven’t answered all of your questions but i have to go take a shower. so i can go to look at some nontoxic seal for my viv so the wood doesn’t warp and rot. i’ll talk about it when i get back. 
wish me luck. cya. |
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| 08/22/08 11:10am |
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Rocker3 View Profile |
Message To: Rocker3 In reference to Message Id: 1839291 Cphill can u help me with a light question?
the extro-terra is a compact spiral kind and i heard those aren’t good. so i’ll get rid of that and the powersun sounds like its the better way to go. which means that was a good choice on my part. but about the spiral one... is it bad as in it does not provide enough uvb or is it bad as in it causes problems? the lizards are doing better now that they are separated i am currently working on their new viv i probably won’t put them to gather i’ll probably put one in the cage they have now and another one in the big cage with some females in the future(hopefully). and that solves that problem. on the topic of the cage this means i’ll have fork out $100 or so to buy some more lights for the big viv. HUUU-RRRAAYYYYY!!!!!!!!!!! 
But keeping them healthy is all worth it. the cage won’t be finished for... about a month cause i have to water proof it and i have to do all the extra stuff.
one more thing, i’m worried that eddy might have an RI cause of all the stress that izzy put him under. his right nostril looks like it has stuff in it(it’s not clear). and he has been breathing through his mouth a lot. the other stuff in his mouth went away so that is fine. i tried making it more humid in his cage but it doesn’t seem to be working and i think i should lay of the misting a little cause i don’t want him to get blisters. what should i do for an RI? |
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| 08/22/08 01:49pm |
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4Kitara View Profile |
Message To: Rocker3 In reference to Message Id: 1839453 Cphill can u help me with a light question?
You can get mvb’s online alot cheaper than in stores. The Mega Rays are 39.95 + 10.00 shipping. It sounds like lil Eddie may in fact have an RI. The only thing that can be done there is to take him to a vet and get him on antibiotics. Keep his temps up even at night (80’s for nighttime) and keep the humidity up as well, not over doing it of course. Then again, what are his temps where he is now?? I noticed above that you said part of the basking areas reach 100-110. This is too hot for them and if this is the case he could be gaping because he is over heated. 90-95 is good basking temps. Of course that wouldn’t explain the nose thing. Look at his nose real good and see if you can tell whether it’s wet or dried mucous or stuck shed. If it seems more like dried mucous, then you should take him in for antibiotics. Also look for liquid or bubbling in his nostrils, that’s a sure sign of an RI too. |
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| 08/22/08 04:02pm |
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Cphill58 View Profile |
Message To: 4Kitara In reference to Message Id: 1839570 Cphill can u help me with a light question?
Quote: they get most of their calcium from food and the light bulb.
Hey Rocker ...i know you are trying to take all this info in ....just remember they are not getting much calcium from their superworms....They are mostly Phosphorous. So you must dust every worm at least every other day. I just throw em in a baggie and shake and bake with a bit of calcium ....or same thing in a cottage cheese container.......crickets are mostly phosphorous too....So again we have to give them calcium ....[plain old calcium with nothin else.] The temps ...like Kitara said are kinda high at the hottest spot ...but that is not bad ....because the viv is so big they can thermo regulate as they see fit...they can move closer or farther...because they have room I think that is a good thing.... The bottom though is the problem.....here is where Eddy was forced to go all the time and temps were low....real low as you said ...that is a major factor for eddie getting RI...he needs temps in the mid through high 80’s day and night ...do you have a sick tank ? can you set up a hospital tank for him and keep temps up at 84-88 day and night ? For a month this will help the RI go away ... if it continues you will need a vet ...any infection like this needs an antibiotic to completely eliminate it. I had tried to rescue a wonderful male (big dude) ...but he died because of infections...I even did the antibiotics ...but the trouble was persist ant and the first round of antibiotics did’nt do enough .... You have to be very careful ...or you will lose the battle....sorry to say this ...but please find a way to get him in to a vet. In the meantime get him warm and keep him humid ...75-80%... when the environment is right and stress free they heal well. Hope you get all this Chris |
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| 08/23/08 01:32pm |
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Rocker3 View Profile |
Message To: Cphill58 In reference to Message Id: 1840330 Cphill can u help me with a light question?
i had him checked talked with the vet and he was kinda close to getting one i guess. the vet told me to soak him for a while and to take him outside in the sun more. also to keep the humidity high and the temp high too. and with in a few days eddy started feeling better. no more symtoms of an RI. also i moved my big phothos and put it in a different spot higher up and now he has more light at the bottom of the cage and so it’s not as cold down there. i am going to have to buy some new calcium dust. with no VIT D3. and yay eddy is feeling better!!!!!!!!!!!!!   |
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| 08/24/08 07:46pm |
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Cphill58 View Profile |
Message To: Rocker3 In reference to Message Id: 1841450 Cphill can u help me with a light question?
CP |
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| 08/25/08 08:12pm |
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4Kitara View Profile |
Message To: Cphill58 In reference to Message Id: 1842482 Cphill can u help me with a light question?
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| 08/25/08 08:21pm |
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Rocker3 View Profile |
Message To: 4Kitara In reference to Message Id: 1842501 Cphill can u help me with a light question?
well... i should start with the bad news otherwise it will spoil the good news. the day after eddy started feeling better the sytoms of an RI came back worse. so i got him to an emergancy animal hospital for because i didn’t have time. so we got him there an hour or so later. turned out that he had a cold or nasel infection. so they had to give him a shot(and like you said chris you need to finish off any infection with antibiotics) and so thats whats been going on for the past week i think? he’s much better for sure. thank god. thats the bad news and half of the good news.
the other half is... i finally my got viv started the frame is up and it’s on stands. it still needs a roof the screen but in the back top part for ventlation and a door. i will defintally put pics up. and also if you have any ideas on making shelves and putting a lot of cool features let me know and i’d love have some ideas. thx. and just leave a post.    |
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| 09/02/08 06:55pm |
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Mira424 View Profile |
Message To: Rocker3 In reference to Message Id: 1849752 Cphill can u help me with a light question?
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