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 #2171636


Brien224
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 Snake ID PLEASE.

I am by no means new to reptiles. I worked at the SI zoo, I have been keeping reptiles for about 10 years now, and I have done my share of field herping. BUT, for the life of me, I have no clue what this snake is. It was stretched over the water on the Wakulla River in Florida. It was almost as long as my kayak, about 7 feet long, and the girth of this behemoth was nearly the thickness of a large boa constrictor. I am not lying. At first I thought it was a florida water snake, then a water moccasin, then cottonmouth, then i gave up. It has the color of a florida water.. so that’s what I was leaning towards. But the length was ridiculous! Please help me and my father ID this sucker. BTW, i kayaked right up the huge log, and took pictures. I was there a while, and fairly close, and the thing didn’t flinch or display any annoyance. Calm as all get out.

BIGGSNAKE

Sorry for the link, pics were too big for repticzone



08/25/10  07:22pm

 #2171638


Venom6547
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  Message To: Brien224   In reference to Message Id: 2171636


 Snake ID PLEASE.

llooks to me like a water moccasin, though i dont know how big they get down south i live in new england and one cold and damp day i found a 3ft moccasin in my yard coiled up and stupid me picked it up not knowing what type of snake it was and it was like a little less thick than a soda can. apparently they are rare up here. im no expert but that is my bewst guess by the bands on its skin you can faintly see.



08/25/10  07:33pm

 #2171640


Brien224
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  Message To: Venom6547   In reference to Message Id: 2171638


 Snake ID PLEASE.

Thanks for the quick response! I agree.. also want to say that in my post it sounds like my kayak is 7 feet.. it wasn’t lol. The snake was.



08/25/10  07:40pm

 #2171652


Chris H
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  Message To: Brien224   In reference to Message Id: 2171640


 Snake ID PLEASE.

it is some sort of nerodia ssp. not venomous, just not pleasant either.



08/25/10  09:14pm

 #2171653


Chris H
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  Message To: Chris H   In reference to Message Id: 2171652


 Snake ID PLEASE.

also, you said that you thought that it was either a cottonmouth or a water moccasin at one point. If you were not new to reptiles then you would know that those names are synonyms for Agkistrodon piscivorous sp.



08/25/10  09:17pm

 #2171657


Brien224
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  Message To: Chris H   In reference to Message Id: 2171653


 Snake ID PLEASE.

What makes you think that?

And I said I wasn’t new to reptiles. That doesn’t mean I know everything there is to know. I am obviously new to venomous snakes. They aren’t my strong side, so don’t post things like that in an authoritative know-it-all tone. A simple and nicer response would have been just a heads up they are the same.



08/25/10  09:56pm

 #2171721


Lilrat
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  Message To: Brien224   In reference to Message Id: 2171657


 Snake ID PLEASE.

ChrisH has struggled with couth since he arrived on reptic. I suspect he is really young and just hasnt learned how to speak to others in a respectful way. He wants everyone to know how knowledgeable he is which screams that he is insecure and relies heavily on his vocabulary instead of interpersonal skills. Which is a shame because if it wasn’t for this downfall, he could be a great advocate for reptiles but instead people are so turned off by his attitude they give his words little weight. Sorry Chris. I tried to say that as respectful as possible but it is the truth and I know it isn’t the first time you have heard that on this forum.



08/26/10  11:48am

 #2171770


Brien224
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  Message To: Lilrat   In reference to Message Id: 2171721


 Snake ID PLEASE.

I can take a verbal beating. I’m more of a peaceful guy that will try to work things out before getting confrontational. I seriously do not understand what I did to provoke you but I think Lilrat is on to something. I let it go though so back to the original topic.. does anyone have an opinion on what this snake is other than Chris? I would just like a few other opinions or someone to confirm it.. thanks.



08/26/10  03:04pm

 #2171893


Chris H
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  Message To: Brien224   In reference to Message Id: 2171770


 Snake ID PLEASE.

Sorry if stating the facts hurts your feelings, I am not attacking anyone here but rather was pointing something out. If that offends you then I don’t really care what you think.

I think that it is a nerodia because of the lighter coloration and the green tinge along with the scales that are keeled more than a cottonmouths and the head shape (though it is tough to see from the pic). My guess is either a mangrove water snake or a green water snake. Neither of these get to the size that you claimed but it is very common for a 4 foot snake to seem like a 10 foot snake in the field. Don’t get me wrong, it is still a big snake but it is not THAT big.



08/27/10  07:53am

 #2171987


Brien224
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  Message To: Chris H   In reference to Message Id: 2171893


 Snake ID PLEASE.

It didn’t offend me, just took me aback. There was no need for it because like I said, I am not an expert. I was simply trying to say that I am not a beginner. Don’t be too quick to point out others faults, look at your own first and work on your people skills. You may not care now if you offend people but your young. You have no clue who you will come across again and who you may be working for.

And I do not think it was any sort of water because even if you think it it wasn’t that big, you weren’t there. I said nothing of it being 10 feet. I said around 7. I am not lying.



08/27/10  08:43pm

 #2172045


Chris H
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  Message To: Brien224   In reference to Message Id: 2171987


 Snake ID PLEASE.

I did not imply that you said it was 10 feet. Just from my experience when some one who is "not an expert" says that a snake is so long, I can usually subtract a few feet from it to get a more accurate description. Also judging by the size of the scales and the sphagnum moss that I am familiar with, the snake is around 5 feet or even less. If you would like, I can prove it to you.



08/28/10  08:01am

 #2172056


Brien224
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  Message To: Chris H   In reference to Message Id: 2172045


 Snake ID PLEASE.

Yes, though I am not an expert, I can still tell the length of something by looking at it. That is what I do at work almost daily (construction/home remodeling). If you think it was any less, 6ft is the minimum I would say. Forget the moss and scales, the tree trunk he was on was a good 10 ft. It had broken off at the base and fallen over. In the pic the snake looks smaller because I didn’t have a good shot for a full body length. You obviously have a fair bit of knowledge so I’m not trying to argue just to argue, but this is what I saw and my father also agreed it was more than 6 ft.



08/28/10  09:26am

 #2172933


Serpentshideaway
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  Message To: Brien224   In reference to Message Id: 2172056


 Snake ID PLEASE.

You mentioned a kayak how long was that? That could help decide a rough length of the snake in question



09/01/10  12:30pm

 #2172961


Brien224
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  Message To: Serpentshideaway   In reference to Message Id: 2172933


 Snake ID PLEASE.

I think my kayak was about 14 ft. The snake was definitely 7-8 ft.



09/01/10  02:50pm

 #2172993


Flherp
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  Message To: Brien224   In reference to Message Id: 2172961


 Snake ID PLEASE.

A good idea of the species can be made based on where this was seen. It looks like a banded watersnake - it is Nerodia spp. anyway and is not a water moccasin. I wouldn’t take it personally that you thought the animal longer than it is, but it is not likely to be over 70". Sometimes things look bigger and it can be difficult to approximate the size of snakes anyway. 6 feet is very close to seven feet so you were not incredibly off the mark for the size of a large specimen.



09/01/10  04:28pm

 #2173025


Brien224
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  Message To: Flherp   In reference to Message Id: 2172993


 Snake ID PLEASE.

I know things can seem different sizes especially when it is your first live wild snake seen in FL lol. I still think it was 7 or 8 ft but I can live with a banded water. Thanks for all the help everyone! I can’t wait to kayak there again and see if I can’t find me a real venomous!

(this time I promise I’ll take better pics and bring some field manuals)



09/01/10  05:57pm

 #2173143


Flherp
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  Message To: Brien224   In reference to Message Id: 2173025


 Snake ID PLEASE.

The record is 69". I remain doubtful that it exceeded this size.



09/02/10  07:29am

 #2176539


Occ1123
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  Message To: Brien224   In reference to Message Id: 2173025


 Snake ID PLEASE.

After reading the original post and looking at the pictures I was not going to even bother making a reply because I figured the ID was so obvious that someone who knew snakes fairly well would get it correct right away. Well unless I didn’t see someone’s reply, I don’t think anyone correctly identified the snake in the pictures.

It is in fact, without any question, a Brown Water Snake (Nerodia taxispilota).

The head is probably the most distinctive feature of the Brown Water Snake, differentiating it from all the other Nerodia, which can be seen relatively easily even in these low quality pictures.
And even if the head was not visible, the color and pattern of the classic looking Brown Water Snake (like the one in the pictures) should have been a dead give-away.

Now at least you guys know for next time!



09/21/10  12:14pm

 #2176832


Flherp
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  Message To: Occ1123   In reference to Message Id: 2176539


 Snake ID PLEASE.

I don’t know about the without question bit, as the pattern appears to be cross-bands rather than the pattern normally seen on an N. taxispilota (squarish dorsal blotches alternating with dark squarish blotches extending upwards from the belly), although there is some variation in these animals. The top of the animal is washed out (any dorsal blotches that might be present are difficult to see) and the head is not readily visible (both might have black edges to the labial scales, fasciata usually has a dark stripe extending from the eye to the angle of the jaw, brown water snakes certainly have a distinctive head shape) making an exact identification a tad difficult. Record size for both is around 69 inches for taxispilota as well. I would certainly qualify any identification from this photograph with a likely rather than a certainly...



09/22/10  06:15pm

 #2177378


Viperking
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  Message To: Flherp   In reference to Message Id: 2176832


 Snake ID PLEASE.

I dont know what type of snake that is but i have a buddy of mine looking over it.Plus i have to agree it does look alot like a cottonmouth.



09/25/10  01:59am

 #2177547


Chris H
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  Message To: Viperking   In reference to Message Id: 2177378


 Snake ID PLEASE.

It is NOT a brown water snake. The blotches along the side of the N. taxispilota have a break in them and form a sort of checkered pattern between the side and dorsal blotches. This snake has stripes that are continuous and fading from the ventral region to the dorsal region which is much more like a green or Florida water snake.

Here are some pictures for comparison:

Green water snake
http://www.outdooralabama.com/images/Image/msgreenwatersnake.jpg

Brown water snake
http://i856.photobucket.com/albums/ab126/snakeguy101/out%20herping/IMG_0543.jpg

Cottonmouth
http://i856.photobucket.com/albums/ab126/snakeguy101/out%20herping/DSCN1051-1.jpg?t=1285522823



09/26/10  01:39pm

 #2178079


Reptifreak42
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  Message To: Chris H   In reference to Message Id: 2177547


 Snake ID PLEASE.

it is a anaconda not much new but it is cool and agresive harmless



09/28/10  08:06pm

 #2178219


Flherp
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  Message To: Reptifreak42   In reference to Message Id: 2178079


 Snake ID PLEASE.

Keeled scales rules out an anaconda.



09/29/10  04:05pm

 #2178248


Serpentshideaway
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  Message To: Flherp   In reference to Message Id: 2178219


 Snake ID PLEASE.

I think he/she was joking



09/29/10  07:44pm

 #2178325


Flherp
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  Message To: Serpentshideaway   In reference to Message Id: 2178248


 Snake ID PLEASE.

It can be hard to identify who is joking on this forum, so I don’t make that assumption in the absence of LOL or something else indicative of an attempt at humor.



09/30/10  07:51am

 #2178634


Tenexe
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  Message To: Venom6547   In reference to Message Id: 2171638


 Snake ID PLEASE.

There are no water moccasins in new england. The furthest north you will find them is in Virginia.



10/02/10  05:16am

 #2178668


Flherp
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  Message To: Tenexe   In reference to Message Id: 2178634


 Snake ID PLEASE.

See what I mean?



10/02/10  01:30pm

 #2178719


Chris H
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  Message To: Flherp   In reference to Message Id: 2178668


 Snake ID PLEASE.

Quote:

See what I mean?



hahaha!



10/02/10  10:20pm


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