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#1759284
Snakecharmer713
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A question about cobras 
I would like to buy a cobra {venemoid spelled?} and was interested in the Formosa or the King. I own ball pythons right now, and a sand boa, and won’t buy ant snake until I know more about it. I have tried to look on sites and things but the info is crappy. I just want some basic info on either...like am I starting with the wrong cobra, attitude, handle issues...that sort of thing. I have had reptiles for years now and have always loved the cobras. Any info is welcom...please and thank you.
Note: I won’t even consider getting a new pet until I research care. I don’t want my pets to be mistreated due to my ignorance.
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06/12/08 10:04pm
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#1759428
Trentiusmaximus
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Message To: Snakecharmer713 In reference to Message Id: 1759284
A question about cobras
I dont think that anyone here is thinking too much about how you care for the animal (it is still important) but if you are ready to care for a venomous reptile. Remember that cobra antivenin is incredibly expensive, and has to be imported, and all cobras are incredibly deadly. If you are not 100% ready for a hot, dont get one. Especially if a cobra is your first. I believe venemoid surgery is cruel, but you should be prepared to spend at least $400 on a venemoid snake. Venomoid snakes may still be able to (but very rarely) preduce venom.
Just my 2 cents, and sorry i cant add any more, im not too educated about cobras and their behavior.
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06/13/08 12:24am
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#1759474
Jparker1167
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Message To: Trentiusmaximus In reference to Message Id: 1759428
A question about cobras
from your post i would say you are not ready to keep a cobra. venomous or venomoid a few years is not enough, no way a king cobra. i believe if you cant keep a venomous one you shouldnt keep a venomoid. why should people get to skip the time it takes to get the experience to own hots.
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06/13/08 01:24am
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#1759479
Flherp
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Message To: Trentiusmaximus In reference to Message Id: 1759428
A question about cobras
Cobra antivenom is relatively inexpensive. You have to apply for and receive an FDA BB-IND and a USDA APHIS permit if you wish to import it.
Neither of these animals is a ball python, that is quite a jump. You can read every internet forum, every book and still be over your head when dealing with animals such as these. Even an animal that has been surgically altered should be treated as venomous. You may think of locating someone who has the type of animal you are interested in and see if they are willing to show you how to provide proper care, handling techniques, animal behavior, etc. and if you are still interested some time down the road, then consider getting one. Good luck, these are not the kind of endeavors that should be entered into lightly, it takes a lot if time and energy and focus to deal with them safely and appropriately.
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06/13/08 01:31am
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#1760008
JEFF QUARLES
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Message To: Flherp In reference to Message Id: 1759479
A question about cobras
$3,500 for a 5cc vile of crofab is Quite expensive, especially when the average dosage fore a venomous bite is 7 viles.. 
Screw VENOMOIDS! if you buy them then it keeps the market for them and the mutilation contiues..
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06/13/08 04:50pm
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#1760454
Snakecharmer713
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Message To: JEFF QUARLES In reference to Message Id: 1760008
A question about cobras
I had no idea that the surgery was so crule! and thanks for all the info. I don’t have anyone close to teach me how to handle the hots. I just wanted to know what and how to do it. I had no intention of just going to a show and buying one...like I said research and advise first. I think if the surgery is crule that there is no way I would buy the reptile and help fund something like that. I guess I will just come here and admire your snakes lol! Ithank you for being nice about it...I will take everyones advice and stick to my pythons... 
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06/14/08 01:57am
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#1760690
JEFF QUARLES
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Message To: Snakecharmer713 In reference to Message Id: 1760454
A question about cobras
I think if you like venomous, then study up on them hang around the forum scene and then don’t let anything keep you from getting whatever you want. Other than the law of course!!
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06/14/08 12:35pm
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#1760795
FishMich
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Message To: Snakecharmer713 In reference to Message Id: 1760454
A question about cobras
jeff is right. if you want to get into hots one day then do all the research you can and get some experience with other keepers to see if its for you. if you decide to stay away from hots then you dont have to keep yourself limited to pythons. there are some awesome colubrids out there that are very rewarding to keep. some of the larger milksnake or ratsnake species are very fun. just do some searching, and you will find some great species that might interest you.
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06/14/08 03:07pm
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#1761022
Jparker1167
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Message To: FishMich In reference to Message Id: 1760795
A question about cobras
i agree if you want to get into venomous then read as much as you can, dont get something crazy as a first like a mamba or taipan.
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06/14/08 07:10pm
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#1761078
Snakecharmer713
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Message To: Jparker1167 In reference to Message Id: 1761022
A question about cobras
I have had milks, kings, corns, boas and pythons before. My wife and I did rescue up until this year. We had some real sick guys come to us and they passed away...400+ $ in vet bills. She was very upset since they were hers. I decided that the heartbreak was just to much. I will be reading up on different types of snakes {hots and nots} to see what we would do best with. And if I have any questions I will come here....and thanks to everyone again!
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06/14/08 08:20pm
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#1777920
Trentiusmaximus
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Message To: Snakecharmer713 In reference to Message Id: 1761078
A question about cobras
Good choices. Im glad you took the advice because very very few people actually do, and they end up getting hurt. To make your move to venomous, I say you should start out with a rear-fanged snake of mild venom. The step after that would be to move to a pit viper. Copperheads have just about the most mild venom of any pit viper. Just be careful and take your time with this. Dont be hasty, ask experienced handlers how long they have been into this hobby. You will find that it takes a while to develop these skills. Good luck.
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06/29/08 08:12pm
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#1778179
Jparker1167
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Message To: Trentiusmaximus In reference to Message Id: 1777920
A question about cobras
i see your in pennsylvania, you said no one near you keeps venomous but there are alot of venomous keepers in pa. im in pa also where in pa are you. maybe i can find someone to help ya out
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06/29/08 11:15pm
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#1778343
Rebelyell83
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Message To: Jparker1167 In reference to Message Id: 1778179
A question about cobras
i’m in fla,and here even to own a venomoid you need the permit,which takes 1000 hours documented with another keepers hots to obtain,i have like 5-6 hours so far*sigh*but slow and steady keeps ya alive
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06/30/08 05:08am
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#1779710
Jparker1167
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Message To: Rebelyell83 In reference to Message Id: 1778343
A question about cobras
yea fl you have to have a permit but in pa you dont need one for exotic venomous
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07/01/08 02:48pm
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#1779796
Rebelyell83
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Message To: Jparker1167 In reference to Message Id: 1779710
A question about cobras
not sure still on the reasoning of need the permit for a venomoid,i figured itd be a good training tool for people to start with to progress to get thier license,,maybe i was wrong?
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07/01/08 04:03pm
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#1780256
Jparker1167
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Message To: Rebelyell83 In reference to Message Id: 1779796
A question about cobras
well they ban by species, a venomoid that is done right you cant tell by looking. i guess it would depend on how good of a training animal it would be, you would know its not venomous so that person may not act the same way as if it was a venomous snake. its alot different when a venomous cobra is trying to bite you then when a venomoid is
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07/02/08 01:17am
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#1780320
Rebelyell83
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Message To: Jparker1167 In reference to Message Id: 1780256
A question about cobras
knd of made an agreement with the gf,that when i get my permit i an get a cobra and gaboon from venomoid inc,as she doesnt wnt true venoms in the house with her son,and i agree fully,but i kinda think with thier fangs,,still incentive enough to keep that end away from me,,besides,,who said you had to TELL the person training tha it is a venomoid?,if they think its a venom and believe it is,they will treat it as it is,just if they screw up,less injury
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07/02/08 07:11am
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#1780512
Taylorgilbert
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Message To: Rebelyell83 In reference to Message Id: 1780320
A question about cobras
if have to ask yourself if your ready for a venomous snake forget it your not and you shouldnt be considering a venomoid to try an meet in the middle if your considering a venomoid get another milk snake an leave the perfectly fine hots alone. and if you ARE getting a venomoid snake why both with the permit ?? the only reason gets a permit is so the state knows they have venomous snakes but you wouldnt have one, but back to the original post a king is out of the question based on sheer size and the fact that if you`ve just realized you want a cobra feeding a 15 foot highly intelligent lethal animal a snake isnt probably for you, id say the best first cobra would be a spitter there tenedancy to spit and not bite in defense and the fact they generally have much less toxic venom albeit they have much more of it are both big pluses if you get spit on or even in your eyes its not nearly as big a deal as gettin chomped on by a kaouthia which are generally what most people get for their first cobra
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07/02/08 12:10pm
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#1781752
Jparker1167
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Message To: Taylorgilbert In reference to Message Id: 1780512
A question about cobras
in most states you would need a permit for a venomoid because it goes by species not weather they are venomous or venomoids. when i said a person would know it was a venomoid i was talking about a person just buying one and training with it not a mentor that had one for taining purposes which would prob not be a bad idea
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07/03/08 02:31pm
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#1781984
Dawn & Terry
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Message To: Rebelyell83 In reference to Message Id: 1780320
A question about cobras
" Hey babe, lets get a permit, then butcher a couple snakes for our own selfish reasons." Do the human race a favor and check out.
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07/03/08 05:56pm
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#1782386
Taylorgilbert
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Message To: Dawn & Terry In reference to Message Id: 1781984
A question about cobras
wow dont take it that serious if you disagree dont respond and hijack it
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07/03/08 11:23pm
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#1782641
GECKOGIRL22
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Message To: Taylorgilbert In reference to Message Id: 1782386
A question about cobras
I agree with him, venomoids are butchered, injured snakes. It’s basically like having your organ cut out with crude tools then the gap filled with silicone. If you can’t handle having a truly hot herp, don’t get a venomoid of one. Just my 0.02.
-GG22
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07/04/08 09:54am
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#1784094
Taylorgilbert
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Message To: GECKOGIRL22 In reference to Message Id: 1782641
A question about cobras
i dont agree with it either but no need to be nasty
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07/05/08 11:27pm
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