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#224776 BeachBum417
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New to Uro’s and have some ??’s  I’ve recently reserved a baby mali uromastyx from a petstore I’ve been coming to for years and trust very much. the cage I am about to set up for him(King Kupa--hopefully its a boy =P) is 12" wide x 12" tall x 36" long. I have a calci-sand like substrate thats seems smoother and in smaller granuals than actual calci-sand, and I also have a substrate I’ve been using for my Western Hognose that the petstore I go to sells - crushed wallnut shells. does anyone know which would be better for him? or if mixing them would be okay? I do not currently have a UVB light, but i do live in south florida and thought maybe 20-30 minutes in the sunlight outside every day would be OK for him as a substitute, since I wont have the $$ to get a UVB light for a few weeks. But I’m not sure... it might be too humid for him outside, but he seems to be okay with being held and stays rather calm so I thought maybe him basking with me would be better, since its the real thing and all. So I was wondering what everyone thought of that, I also have a 75 watt UVA bulb for his basking spot, but I’m not sure that will be able to provide 110-120 degree temperatures, the ambient temerature in my room is about 80-85 degrees and the basking spot will probably be about 5-6" to the light if that helps.... also I’m EXTREMELY confused as to what to feed him and whether or not to provide water. I’ve seen a ton of conflicting ideas about this, or I have no idea where to get some of the things people are mentioning as good food. I’ve heard broccoli is bad for them, but the pet store I trust feeds their uro’s broccoli, I’ve also heard mixed things about romaine lettuce. what about iceberg lettuce- bad for them or good water source? fruits? we have hibiscus in the backyard that I know to be chemical free and was wondering if it was ok to feed him. also, I’ve heard that you should not provide them with water, but I’m tempted to put a small dish on the cool end just in case he wants to drink. also, to soak or not to soak, how often/if/when? and finally (and probably least important), he is very young, but doesnt appear to have too many markings, will this change as he matures? thnx in advance to anyone who actually answers, I know all these answers can be found all over... the problem is I’ve been finding so many conflicting ones I dont know exactly what to believe.
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01/17/05 10:35pm
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#224973 Rcb
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Message To: BeachBum417 In reference to Message Id: 224776
New to Uro’s and have some ??’s  A 36x12 is rather small but its only a baby. First off, ditch the calci-sand. You have no idea how much calcium he is ingesting and he could die from it. DO NOT use crushed walnut shells. Extremely dangerous, in most cases it has been known to shread the intsetines when ingested. You shouldn’t take a uro outside its cage for more than a few minutes. These animals need very high temps them being outside their cage is like us being in alaska with nothing but a T-shirt and pants. Also the fact the florida is humid is also very bad. Uros come from the hottest deserts in the world where moisture does not exist. Even low amounts of humidity can cause all kinds of respitory disease. Also being that they come from the saharan desert means there is no water. They get all their water from their food. In fact haveing a water bowl in the cage will raise the humidity to dangerous levels. You do really need a UV-B bulb. I recammend the Reptisun 5.0 desert bulb. As far as heating goes I use a 150 watt bulb to eat my 36x16 cage and I live in southern california. What you need to do is get rocks or bricks for a basking spot. The basking spot should be 120F-130F. The air temp around the rocks 95F-100F and the cool side in the 80s.As far as feeding goes; its all about the greens. Endive, escarola, dandilion greens,bok choy etc. are all great foods to feed. Hibiscus is an excellent treat. DO NOT feed crixs or any animal protein. Very dangerous to their digestive tract. You also feed thawed mived veggies. Fruits should be fed sparingly. Mango, papaya, apple, grabes and cactus pads (with the thorns pulled out) can be fed. Lettuce has no nutional value. Brocolli is bad for them along with spinach and citrus fruits. You may trust this pet store but uros are relativly new to the pet trade and a pet store cannot know every animals care to the T even though they should. You can soak a uro every now and then. I soak mine once a month. Make sure you thoughly dry the uro afterwards. Uros when young have very blane colors and won’t really start developing their colors to around a year and a half to two years of age. Females will stay a grayish color their whole lives. I highly recamend reading the care sheet on www.deerfernfarms.com Good Luck
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01/18/05 12:25am
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#224987 BeachBum417
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Message To: Rcb In reference to Message Id: 224973
New to Uro’s and have some ??’s  I did plan on getting a bigger cage eventually, and I am really only using the UVA from my hognose’s cage until I have the $$ for his own lamp and UVB bulb (my hognose will be fine without one for a few weeks) which shouldnt be more than a week or so, so no big worries there. hopefully I’ll have everything set up perfectly soon. thank you very much for responding though, I really appreciate the advice and will do my best ^^
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01/18/05 12:44am
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#225212 Uro_fan
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Message To: BeachBum417 In reference to Message Id: 224776
New to Uro¡¦s and have some ??¡¦s  BB, A few quick comments- If the outdoors temperatures are not too low, natural sunlight can be very beneficial to your uromastyx. I am not certain what uvb levels you have there in Florida right now (we have little to zip here in Ohio) or what temps you have but I would see nothing wrong with a half of an hour of natural sunlight if the temps were in the 80s. I would not advise holding the uromastyx during this activity and would also caution you not to use a glass enclosure in direct sunlight or high temps. Using a well-ventilated or open top container of some sort works best. If using an open top- make sure that the walls are high enough that the animal cannot escape and never leave the enclosure unattended due to neighborhood cats, dogs, and overhead birds of prey. If the day is extremely warm, (probably not a problem now) you need to offer some shade. Another concern with your current situation is the need to limit stress during acclimation as taking the uro outside may very well create some additional stress. Regarding the comments on humidity by rcb.... Humidity does exist in a uromastyx natural habitat. The burrow dwelling species have sleeping chambers as well as egg chambers that have a fair amount of humidity. This is one we reason we need to incubate uromastyx eggs at a rather high humidity level. :) My views have changed somewhat over the years with the humidity issue and uromastyx. In my opinion, as long as the uromastyx is healthy and not subjected to high humidity levels long-term or high humidity levels with lower than adequate temps, humidity does not pose that great of a problem. In fact, over the last year or so I have begun offering humidity hide boxes (along with a standard hide) to aid in shedding and to offer the ’choice’ of a humid area. I also disagree with the water bowl comment by rcb. I have a water dish (lid) in with last year’s hatchlings and the humidity level has not risen to a dangerous level nor has it caused any respiratory illnesses. Keep in mind that living in a state with high humidity and offering a water dish will certainly be different (enclosure humidity) than living in a non humid state and offering a water dish. The humidity level would need to be monitored closely in a humid state. There are some fairly reliable humidity gauges on the market. I personally do not soak my uromastyx unless I have a newly acclimating dehydrated animal, trying to remove scent for introductions or breeding purposes, have a severe shedding problem, (virtually non existent for me) or have an animal that decided to drag himself (always the males) through some crap- literally. (this is more of a problem on paper substrate than particulate substrate) My biggest recommendation is to get the enclosure asap and play around with heat sources and temperatures before placing the uromastyx in his new home. You can buy a rather inexpensive digital thermometer at Kmart or Wal-Mart- I would recommend against a dial or stick on as they are not very reliable and are difficult to move around. Although uva is important, (uros love light) you want to make sure that you have a bulb producing enough heat. Some bulbs that promote uva just do not put off enough heat for most enclosures. Going to a reptile bulb specifically used for heating or a halogen may be beneficial but may also require a porcelain (ceramic) socket. It is my opinion that several heat sources must be used in most enclosures to get a correct basking spot temperature and the proper gradient (temp and zone). Mike has done a nice job of putting together a thread with links to posts with common husbandry issues. I will bump this to the top of the list for those that might be new to the forum.
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01/18/05 2:14pm
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#225328 BeachBum417
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Message To: Uro_fan In reference to Message Id: 225212
New to Uro¡¦s and have some ??¡¦s  thank you very much for the advice, I’ll definately take all that into account. I’m setting up the tank today and am going to try to get it perfect so I can bring him home tomorrow. I was especially looking foreward to your response since I’ve been reading everything I can in the forum and I’ve come to value you’re oppinion on the topic. The humidity levels in the house are extremely low compared to outside, and I dont think it should be a problem with him indoors. I also will be getting both a desert-specific UVB bulb(in addition to helping them digest calcium, I’ve heard that UVB causes more vibrant coloration), and a high wattage UVA bulb for heat, because of the recent cold snap I dont want to take the light off my hognose. I also picked up some birdseed today. I’ll get some pictures up as soon as its set up and hes at home to see if anyone has any other suggestions. Thanks again!
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01/18/05 5:24pm
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#225533 BeachBum417
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Message To: BeachBum417 In reference to Message Id: 225328
New to Uro¡¦s and have some ??¡¦s  also, now that I have the tank in front of me and I have measuring tape on hand I measured the tank myself and came up with 36"long 18" deep and 12" tall. I know its not big enough for a full grown mali but I think it will be ok for him for a little while at least, any ideas?
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01/18/05 7:49pm
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#225571 Rcb
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Message To: BeachBum417 In reference to Message Id: 225533
New to Uro¡¦s and have some ??¡¦s  I think 36x18 is a desent size enclousure, but in my opinion is the minimum.Uro-fan, I did not now that burrows in the sahara desert have humidity. I kinda figured eggs needed humidity. As always your knowledge is appriciated. (I can’t spell, lol)
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01/18/05 8:15pm
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