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#208156 Gabbymonkey
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Uro help needed!!  I have had my uro for almost a year and only recently has she been acting quite lethargic. I have been reading the post about heating and substrate. Some of the post have really confused me, how do you get the proper uvb source b/c that is something I haven’t focused on. What substrate should you use?? how do you get the exact temp for the three levels: ie gradient and hide. Leah my uro is about 12" and her tank is 30"length by 20" height. So I suppose I need to regulate her temps and change her substrate?? Hopefully you guys can help. Thanks!!
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12/29/04 11:46am
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#208201 Uro_fan
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Message To: Gabbymonkey In reference to Message Id: 208156
Uro help needed!!  Can you provide more details such as what your temps are now and how you are measuring them. Do you have a uvb source already? If so, what is it, how old is it,and how far is the light from the reptile? What are you currently using for substrate?
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12/29/04 1:20pm
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#209496 Gabbymonkey
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Message To: Uro_fan In reference to Message Id: 208201
Uro help needed!!
 Thanks for responding... I just went and purchased a 150 watt bulb for the basking area and I got a thermometer to read the temp levels. The temps still aren’t hot enough for what Leah needs, from my understanding. I mean don’t they have to be above 100f? I could not find a uvb light but the light i bought said it gives off uva, so I’m not sure where to find the right light. I was thinking about getting a heat pad to put under the tank in her basking area to up the temps, what do you think... her hide is perfect but her gradient is a little low by about 5 degrees. I am using play sand in her tank, should i use something else, if so what do you suggest. I saw alot of folks using bird seed? What kind do you get and how do you prepare it for use? Thanks so much for your help and advice.
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12/31/04 10:24am
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#209504 Uro_fan
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Message To: Gabbymonkey In reference to Message Id: 209496
Uro help needed!!  Lets try this again.... What are all of your temperatures reading right now? What type of thermometer are you using to read them- dial, stick on, digital. How are you measuring your basking spot temperature? If you just bought a thermometer and a 150 watt bulb a year into owning this uro and you cannot get the temps high enough now, it probably means that Leah has been kept at lower than adequate temperatures for almost a year. Due to this, I would suggest a vet visit for Leah or at the very least, taking a fecal sample to the vet.
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12/31/04 10:40am
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#209518 Gabbymonkey
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Message To: Uro_fan In reference to Message Id: 209504
Uro help needed!!  Okay I have a stick on therm and her temps are reading: basking-a bit over 100, gradient-mid 90, her hide mid 80. Do you suggest getting a digital so I know the exact temp? The therm in her basking spot is beside the light so I know I am not getting an exact reading, where can you get the temp guns? Also I just checked her nose b/c I have had her in play sand, is this where they get the impaction? She seems to have clear passage but I wasn’t sure where the impaction happens. I took her to the vet and she was quite healthy up until the last few weeks. I noticed she became lethargic, that is why I switched out her bulb and tank arrangement. She seems supper happy about the lay out now but I am just concerned about her temps. oh about the bird seed, is that a good idea? Thanks
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12/31/04 11:06am
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#209520 Gabbymonkey
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Message To: Gabbymonkey In reference to Message Id: 209518
Uro help needed!!  Sorry I meant to add this in the last post... I read the past postings on good bulbs, and I never figured out which ones work well or not. The ones in Petsmart don’t really let you know about how much UV lighting they give off, any suggestions to finding the best?? thanks
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12/31/04 11:09am
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#209884 Rcb
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Message To: Gabbymonkey In reference to Message Id: 209520
Uro help needed!!  As you stated before you sound very confused. Uro_fan is the website expert and she will help you get everything back on track, but i’ll try to clear a few things up.The basking spot which is the surface area of the rock or whatever object you have for basking should be between 115F and 130F. I have mine at 120F. The ambiant temp or air temp around the basking spot should be between 95F-100F. The cool side should be in the high 70s to mid 80s. The night temp can drop to the extremes of 50F but should not exceed 60F. It is not nessesary to make the temps drop that low at night. Things like a ceiling fan or an open window can increase heat loss dramticly. A heat gradient means that it should be hot on the basking side and slowly decreases temp as you reach the cool side. usally just having the warm side and cool side at proper temps creates a heat gradient. Under-the-tank heaters are a bad idea because you have now way of controlling the heat they emitt and the effects could be similar to a hot rock. If you have a screen top cage its a good idea to cover the screen with cardboard or wood the combat escaping heat. There is no real proof that UV-B lighting is essential for reptiles but it is widely agreed that uros should have it. The bulb that I use is the Repti-sun 5.0 desert bulb. The bulb has to be within 12" of the uro or it will not have any effect. So seeing as your cage is 20" you will have to raise the basking spot considerably. UV-A is just light. Most people who work with uros agree that birdseed is a good subtrate for them. There is no risk of impaction and it is helthy for the uro to eat. The birdseed must have no sunflower seeds in it. Millet works the best. Impaction is where something (ussaly sand) blocks the intestinal tract. A very good therometer to use for the air temps is the acu-right ditgital therometer sold at wal-mart for $15. To check the basking temp you need a temp gun. Those run for about $25. I bought mine from doug dix at www.deerfernfarms.com. Hope this helps.
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12/31/04 7:42pm
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#210060 Gabbymonkey
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Message To: Rcb In reference to Message Id: 209884
Uro help needed!!  Thanks that helped alot, it was quite informant. Many of my questions were answered and I can get things right for Leah. Thanks again!! =)
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01/01/05 12:17am
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#210061 Rcb
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Message To: Gabbymonkey In reference to Message Id: 210060
Uro help needed!!  Your very welcome. I remember when I first started looking into getting a reptile and how confused I was. So I was glad to help. If you need any clarification on anything just ask.
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01/01/05 12:20am
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#212816 Uro_fan
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Message To: Rcb In reference to Message Id: 209884
Uro help needed!!  Rcb writes: "The night temp can drop to the extremes of 50F but should not exceed 60F." I do not agree with this statement at all. The chance of respiratory infections increase with extreme night time drops and is even greater if the humidity level is elevated. While a ’down time’ is beneficial, temperatures should never be allowed to drop to the extremes of 50. I would shoot for temps no lower than 70 and provide supplemental night time heat if temps even get close to 65. If you are assuming night time temperatures naturally drop this low in the wild, then realize that uromastyx that use underground burrow sleeping chambers are insulated from this outside ambient temperature. From studies on Aegyptia, we know that the sleeping chamber only dropped to a low of 69F during the harshest winter month and that ‘low’ monthly summer burrows temps averaged 86.76F and highs averaged 90.52F. Four of nine of the low months exceeded 90F and six of nine exceeded 90F in the high average. The four winter months averaged a low of 70F and a high of 74.84F. I try not to allow my enclosures to drop below 68F. Due to increasing data on uromastyx, this spring I will change my thinking on night time temps (from what I have done in the past) and shoot for summer night time temps between 78-83F -only dropping down to 68F during the winter months. I am still waiting on additional year around burrow temperatures from someone I know who has been studying this data. Once I have this information, I will decide on my exact summer/winter night time temperatures. Depending on species, natural climate, and type of sleeping burrow, I will adjust these temps and probably run some of my enclosures towards the low end while others will be towards the higher end.
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01/04/05 9:05am
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