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#198141 Waffle
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First time owner has questions  What I know about them is from what I have learned from this site. I purchased him from a pet store for my son and had no ideal what I was getting into. However, I am totally commited to him and will do everything I can to take exellent care of him. The pet store has not given me any assistance in how to care for him except to feed him vegtables and fruit 70/30 ratio and crickets every other day. They said they only had him for 5 days and he hasn’t eaten crickets yet and said the guy they got him from said he wouldn’t eat them either, (so that’s good, he will not be fed crickets). They have no ideal how old he is. He is really pretty yellow and about 12" long. He’s very sweet. In the store he was in this little tiny aquarium and didn’t move around much, just sat there. We got him Friday evening and Sat. morning he was running around his cage, we fed him veggies and he gobbled them up. They did say he needed his tank to be at least 100 degrees. I had a hard time getting it that high. I have a under tank heater at one end and a 265 degree heat emitter at that end also, and that keeps it at 105-110 degrees in the day ( I put foil around the light area ), then at night I take the foil off and it drops it down to about 100. I also give him a UVB lamp with an 8% UVB/33%UVA bulb for 10 hours a day. They gave me lizzard litter to use as subtrate (made up of white fur and eucalyptus chips). First question, is everything so far ok? Second question, he has not gone potty yet, what should I do? He is eating good, looks good, bright color, plump in size and is very active. I fed him fresh green beans, yam, endive, romain lettuce, parsley, and apple. Is there any foods to encourage him to go potty? I see alot about baths, is that something that might help? Or is there a fruit that would help him? Third question, 12" any ideal how old he would be? Any tips or suggestions will be appreciated. I think this is worse then when I had my children. I check on him about every half hour, and even get up in the night to check on him. I don’t even know what I checking on. I just look at him and check the temp. He sleeps all night. Oh, one more thing. He was scratching his eyes today with his foot and on the glass and on his log. His eyes look fine. How often do they shed? Is it at a certain time of the year or does it vary from Uro to Uro. Sorry this is so long. I waited a day so I wouldn’t put alot of post on, one after another. This Forum has been wonderful. I spent almost all day yesterday and this afternoon on it collecting information. Oh, is there any fruits or vegtables that they shouldn’t eat? I have heard, no citrus, spinach, broccoli, cauliflower, and head or leaf lettuce. Thank you.
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12/12/04 6:45pm
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#198254 Dragon Lady
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Message To: Waffle In reference to Message Id: 198141
First time owner has questions  Hi waffle welcome :) I’ll try to answer all your questions for you. Your temps need to be hotter Basking should be 120 . You need to drop the temps at night. They can handle night time temps in the high 60’s and its actually good for them. You need to get him or her off the lizard litter it could cause impactions, Good substrates to use would be reptile carpet. paper towels, newspaper or birdseed without sunflower seed,w hite or red millet would be great. I found parakeet food that is working real good, If you get your temps right he or she shouldn’t have any problems going potty. Good greens to feed are endive escarole and dandelion greens, I also feed a little squash clover sprouts alfalfa sprouts, chopped up cactus pads and ocassionally papaya (sp?). Uro’s don’t shed that often by sometimes it takes months for them to shed their whole body, They will rub up against glass rock etc to help get skin off so thats normal. I would also suggest that you take a poop sample a fresh one to a qualified reptile vet just to make sure he or she is parasite free. I’m sure some other people will come on and answer what I have missed, If you have more questions don’t hesitate to ask. I hope i’ve helped a little. Oh yeah if you can post pictures of your new baby someone might be able to give you a guesstimate on the age. Bonny
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12/12/04 10:17pm
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#198302 Pogos grandma
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Message To: Waffle In reference to Message Id: 198141
First time owner has questions  Welcome to the forum, Waffle,I’ll just add on a few things to DragonLady’s post. 1. The overall temp should be around 95-100 and aside from the high temp under the basking spot, there should be a cooling end to your enclosure. Around 80-85 would be ideal. I wrapped my light fixture in tin foil as well so I made sure there’s cool end for Pogo to cool down. You should have all the heat source/lights off at night unless you do not have indoor heating. They can tolerate down to as low as 65 but I have mine at 70. 2. Size/age: You called "it" a him but until you start breeding there’s no sure way to sex them. A 12" female is most likely a full grown uro so there’s no way to telling how old. A full grown male is around 16" to 18" long. 3. UV light: It took me awhile to learn this but it needs to be within 12" of your uro otherwise it’s wasted. 4. Like D-lady, I feed Pogo curly endive, escarole as her basic food but occasionally she gets hibiscus flowers for treats. I wouldn’t use too much romaine unless he’s dehydrated since it’s mostly water. Good luck.
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12/12/04 11:38pm
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#198309 Waffle
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Message To: Dragon In reference to Message Id: 198254
First time owner has questions  Thank you Bonnie for your promt response and being so kind and helpful. I will go and get the seed tomorrow for his subtrate. I also copied the veggies down for him too. Do you have any ideals on how to get the heat level up that high? I have a tank that is 30 long by 12 wide and 17 high (I have another one on order right now which is 36 long by 18 wide and 17 high). I started with a 100 bulb, then the 150 and it didn’t get me high enough at all. Then a store told me to try a heat emmitter, and I did a 100 and then a 150, the next they had was a 265 and that’s what I have now. I even have foil partially on the lid and wrapped around it but I can’t get it high enough still. (I did all the heat trials before I brought him home) It’s in my son’s room and it’s a hot box in there. It seems that the room is absorbing all the heat up. How do I keep the heat in the tank? Also he doesn’t have a basking lamp because I went with the heat emmitter instead to get the heat up in the tank. Is that a problem? I don’t have any more room on the top to add another one. I do have the UVB light on the top for him. Thank you again for your help. Diane
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12/12/04 11:57pm
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#198321 Waffle
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Message To: Pogos In reference to Message Id: 198302
First time owner has questions  Thank you for the information, that makes me nervous to just turn his lamp off at night, so far he has had it a 100 degrees at night. The store said to leave the lamp on all the time. But I will go with your advice and turn it off tonight. I think my day time heat is ok at around 95-100, I have one themometer at the end that I keep the heat emmitter at and as well I have the under tank heater at that same end. The temp gage is on the side wall about 3 inches up from the bottom. I’m thinking that if I put a log down at that end, it would put him up a little higher (he likes the logs) and he would reach that 120 degree that he needs. I currently have the log at the cooler end and he goes under it at night and when he sleeps and during the day he sits on top of it (UVB light is down across that end so he should get to that 12" level you spoke of). He never goes down to that hot end that has the under tank heater and the heat emmitter on the top. I think he really likes the log, but I thought he needed the log at the cool end to go under to cool off. I’ll go and get another log for him/her tomorrow. How would I know if he is dehydrated? Do you feed Pogo only the the endive and escarole with hibiscus as a treat? Or do you give a fruit too and a variety? Is a variety better or should I stick just a few? He seems to like anything so far. I put him in the tub tonight, he just loved it and fell asleep ( I only did it for about 5 minutes), I then took him out and wrapped him in a wash cloth and he cuddled with me for a half hour nap. I put him in his cage and he crawled under his log and snuggled in for the night. He/she is so precious.
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12/13/04 12:18am
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#198337 MelissaM
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Message To: Waffle In reference to Message Id: 198321
First time owner has questions  Definately don’t be afraid to turn the lamps off at night time. The "reptile" store in the town I live in told me to run 2 100w bulbs 24/7...clearly wrong. They definately need to be cooler at night time. I do use a blue night light for him, just a 15w so it doesn’t drop too drastically, I know it’s not really needed but my house gets extremly cold at night time. I just got my Uro about 8 months ago, and I did a lot of panicking at first too. One thing that might be helpful to you to avoid a panic attack. Is if you’re ever sitting there watching him, and his eyes roll into his head, and all you can see is red...and it looks like he’s gagging and his eyes are going to fall out. This is normal, it’s to clense his eyes...I know it freaked me out when I first saw mine do it. I heard under the tank heaters aren’t good for Uro’s because it can burn their bodies, try elevating his basking spot instead of the under the tank heater. You’d hate to burn his tummy. And I feed mine, very little romaine, endive, bok choy (once and a while), frozen peas...carrot sticks, escarole, and dandilion greens. I also have a reptile calcium dust, which I use once or twice a week and crickets as a treat once every 3 or 6 months (I know it’s not reccomended but he enjoys them and I only buy 6 at a time) I wouldn’t worry too much yet about him not going to the bathroom, but keep an eye on that, because impaction has been a major loss of Uro’s to people on this website. Mine sometimes will go a day or two without, but everything is ok with him. I just had a vet check up. Also, at night time, they sleep like rocks, so don’t worry if he looks dead and won’t move because this is normal. And my guy will go a full day without getting up, but it’s because it’s the winter...I did boost his heat and this helped a lot with that. I just think he’s lazy.Good luck with your new Uro, and welcome to the site. Looking forward to hearing all your Uro stories. Melissa
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12/13/04 1:17am
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#198355 Pogos grandma
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Message To: Waffle In reference to Message Id: 198321
First time owner has questions  Waffle,The under tank heater is fine as you have the glass bottom plus a layer of substrate on top. Melissa is thinking about the electric heat rock that sits in the tank that some people use as a basking rock. That type is nasty as it’s been known to malfunction and gets so hot that it burns the underside of the animal. I’m not sure how the 265 heat emitter works as I’ve never used anything so high. It’s important to have a basking lamp for your uro that gets as hot as 120, Uro_fan has hers even higher. You may want to invest in a digital temp gun or use a meat thermometer to get a better reading (stick it in the substrate, NOT your uro! lol). I’m also curious as to why your uro likes to sit at the cooler end, do you think maybe your hot end with the 265 is too hot? A temp gun should tell you that. When I first brought Pogo home, I did the smorg/salad bar thing. She was eating (at least I thought she was) better than my own family, a variety of fruit and veg at every meal. It looked interesting but she really didn’t eat any of it. I got wise over time and started to stick with the her staple food, curly endive and escarole. Now there’s less waste and it makes life easier on me. I don’t put Pogo in the bath but it’s fine that you do, just make sure the water is hot enough for her, 105 degree and dry thoroughly. One more thing about turning lights on and off....Invest in a timer so the lights come on and off at a set time each morning and evening. It’s really OK to have the temp down, it gets that cold in their natural environment.
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12/13/04 2:30am
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#198399 Waffle
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Message To: MelissaM In reference to Message Id: 198337
First time owner has questions  Thank you Melissa for writing. Yes, I already did the panic attach thing the first night we had him. At about 12:00 in the morning I went to check on him. It did not look like he was breathing, I moved him around and I was sure he was dead. I got my older son up and we were so sad. It’s in my younger son’s room. We didn’t wake him to tell him the news. I finally picked him up and he freaked out and ran all over the cage. I guess I won’t do that again. Thanks for the heads up on the eye rolling thing. I won’t I did turn his lamp off last night and this morning the tank read 80 degrees, so it didn’t cool down as much as I was afraid it would. Thank you again, Diane
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12/13/04 9:37am
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#198405 Waffle
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Message To: Pogos In reference to Message Id: 198355
First time owner has questions  Pogos Grandma, thank you for writing. I’m thinking maybe he isn’t attracked to the heat emmitter side because it doesn’t put off any light, just heat? I will go today and purchase another heat lamp light and try that, but I don’t know where to get a themometer gun at like you spoke of. Yes, I did shut the heat emmitter off last night and this morning the tank read 80 degrees, higher then I thought it would. I’m so glad I found that information out. I’ll get a timer today also. Should I be wake him up in the morning and make him get up at the same time each day? Also, after his bath last night he went right to bed before his usual bed time, is that ok? I was just worried if he went to be so early he might wake up early too and be cold cause the heat emmitter was off. But he was still asleep this morning as usual. Thank you again, Diane
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12/13/04 9:49am
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#198418 Pogos grandma
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Message To: Waffle In reference to Message Id: 198405
First time owner has questions  Diane,I think you’re making the same mistake I made when I first started with Pogo thinking these uros are regular "pets". They don’t have an internal clock or be awaken by noise, etc. What gets them up in the morning or whenever is the heat, when their blood gets warm, as after the enclosure heats up. The reason why it’s important to have the proper temp in their enclosure is because their body temp is regulated by external heat. The hotter it is, the more active they get. Some pet owners prefer to read their "slowness" as being docile but it’s most likely due to their body temp drop. They don’t play nor eat well when the temp’s off. The idea of the timer is to have the temp up and down at a set time each day so you won’t have to "wake" him up. It really sounds funny when you said it. I used to wish Pogo was more like a dog and I had wanted to handle her. I found out that Uros don’t like to be handled too much as it stresses them out. Bathing freaked Pogo out so much that she used to go straight to her hide and be gone for the day. I don’t know how long you’ve had yours but for the first few weeks until they’re used to their environment, they really shouldn’t be handled. You can purchase a digital temp gun at Walmart and I heard it isn’t that expensive but then, I’m sure you know by now that these guys aren’t cheap to keep!
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12/13/04 11:16am
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#198443 SauronAndOn
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Message To: Waffle In reference to Message Id: 198321
Some first-hand desert experience  First off, welcome!I spent a summer in the Caballo desert on an excavation, and I can tell you that it gets COLD out there at night. Well, ok, by cold I mean 60... but when the sun is beating down at 115 during the day the drop off to 60 feels pretty rough- and it is. Dropping 50 something degrees in a couple of hours is quite, quite noticeable. It’s also, however, completely natural and what desert-dwelling animals are used to. So don’t worry about taking the temperature down at night, it’s healthy for the Uro! Just make sure it doesn’t get below 60-65. -Matt
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12/13/04 1:06pm
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#198569 Frocto
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Message To: Pogos In reference to Message Id: 198418
First time owner has questions  Hi and congrats on your new uro. If you haven’t gotten a temp gun yet I recomend www.proexotics.com They have 3 different temp guns, I bought the $45 dollar one because it has a laser site on it and it works from an 8:1 ratio, that way you don’t have to be right on your spot to use it. Both of my larger uros can’t stand anything coming near them, Amidallah hisses and tail smacks first then runs and could care less about asking questions. Yoda tries to ignore you but if that doesn’t work gets an attitude. The laser site has saved both my Uro and myself some stress and pain. The heat admitters are good for using at night if your temps get really cold, at a height of only 18inches or so that the tanks you talked about a 100 basking spotlight should get warm enough with a good slate rock. Currently in 2 of my uros cages I use only 75 watt lights because their basking spots are elevated above the normal area of their cage, on the slate rocks it gets to over 130 degrees normally. For substrate try going to a feed store and looking for feed grade Millet or Milo. It is larger than bird seed and I haven’t noticed them trying to eat it. Yoda is still pooping out bird seed a week after being changed over to Milo seed. No idea why he enjoyed it so much but got me worried. Good luck

I word of caution on heat sources, in that pic if you look at his tail you can see where he was burned by a heat source too close to him that got way to hot. Not really clear but the end of his tail looks like melted plastic. Trent
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12/13/04 6:43pm
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#198590 Uro_fan
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Message To: Waffle In reference to Message Id: 198405
First time owner has questions  Doug Dix at deerfernfarms.com also sells temp guns
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12/13/04 7:28pm
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#198762 Waffle
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Message To: Frocto In reference to Message Id: 198569
First time owner has questions  Thank you for writing and the picture, he is so cute! I will get the heat gun as you sugguested. I’m concerned because I don’t think I’m getting accurate readings. Yes, my light emmitter is 18 inches high and I had the themometer on the side wall about 3-4 inches from the bottom and it was reading only 95 degrees, then today I moved the log over to that spot, about the same height and sat the themometer on the log and it rocketed up to 120 degrees very quickly. You mentioned the slate rock, would I do the same thing and just put the themometer on the rock or would that give me the rock temp rather then the actual basking temp? I will go tomorrow and find a slate rock and put it up higher along with trying the 100 watt bulb as you sugguested. My guy never goes down to the hot side as of now, I’m thinking maybe it’s too hot? He stays at the end that reads 90 degrees. What are the dimentions of the cage you are using with the 75 degree light? My guy is really friendly, I hope he never hisses at me. I went today and got him the millet seed. He seemed to love it. He was sliding all over, digging and burrowing. Thank you, for all the information, Diane
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12/13/04 11:33pm
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#198771 Waffle
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Message To: Dragon In reference to Message Id: 198254
First time owner has questions  Hi Bonnie, I don’t know if you’ll see this on not but in case you check back I wanted to let you know that he did go potty today. I feel soooo much better. I was so worried about him. I was feeding him for the second time today and heard a noise and he was peeing. The pet store said they didn’t pee, but just pooped and peed together. Then my son was holding him and a couple minutes later he peed all over him. I put him back in the cage and he immediately pooped. This will sound strange but what should it look like? His was green and about the consistency of thick toothpaste, pretty formed but soft. They also told me his poop would be white. I really do feel like I did when I had my kids, getting excited over them pooping. I did go and get the millet seed today and he seemed to love it, burrowing and digging around in it. You were right, I think turning off that lamp at night did it for him. Thank you for all your help! Diane
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12/13/04 11:43pm
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