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#192305 Memoriam
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Nervous new owner - defecation frequency? Salt crusts?  I’ve had Zartan, my first uromastyx, for a whole three days now, and am probably just looking for something to panic about. :) He’s a 10" mali, fat, active, and eating like a pig... but he has yet to poop. I realize he’s likely stressed, and have not tried soaking or anything yet; this is my first experience with a primarily herbivorous lizard, so I wonder if this is simply normal yet.The amount of salt he excretes through his nasal glands is also a little worrisome. I know this is a completely natural process, but he will get to the point where his nostrils are nearly caked over. He has no problems scraping them clean himself, though; is this an excessive amount, or just part of being a uro? He does have a vet appointment next week, but I’d appreciate it if someone could set my mind at ease in the meantime. :)
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12/02/04 12:20pm
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#192346 Uro_fan
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Message To: Memoriam In reference to Message Id: 192305
Nervous new owner - defecation frequency? Salt crusts?  Stress, change in diet, change in temperature...almost anything can throw the digestive process off. Some of my newly acquired animals have gone a week (and more) without going. Once the uro does go, inspect what is there. If you catch it fresh, note the amount of liquid, the color of the darker material, the consistency of the dark matter, look for a very offensive smell, mucus, note the consistency of the white matter…Better yet, seal it in plastic so it stays moist and take it asap to your vet for a fecal check- approx $20-$25 – no office visit usually required. The salt you are seeing is probably due to the diet that was being fed and possibly may have something to do with the hydration status of the animal. Even if the animal is fat, it could still have a hydration issue. Try to cut down on items with a higher sodium level and start out with a primary diet of fresh greens (no dried material incl lentils). It will not hurt to throw some romaine in there for hydration if you feel that there might be a problem. (I do not feel that romaine is as bad as some make it out to be from a nutritional standpoint and would actually recommend it as a supplement over many of the greens others currently use for supplements) If you are concerned about impaction, call the place where you purchased Zartan and ask what they had him on for substrate. While you are at it, ask what his prior diet was, how long they had him, if he was medicated, if so, what for and with what medication…..
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12/02/04 2:02pm
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#192365 Memoriam
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Message To: Uro_fan In reference to Message Id: 192346
Nervous new owner - defecation frequency? Salt crusts?  Thanks very much for the quick response. :) Impaction was my first fear, but he was on very solid, dense wood chips prior to this, so I’m not sure how it could have happened. (He’s on a very tightly woven astroturf floor now.) It can take a whole week? Well, if he hasn’t gone by the time of the vet appointment, he’ll at least be able to receive immediate attention. I just hesitate to soak him, as I don’t want to make this transition any harder than it has to be by handling him to excess.He’s currently eating fresh-picked dandelion greens and flowers (I grow them specifically for my reptiles), carrots, turnips, green beans with pod, and moistened Rep Cal adult iguana chow. I do have a water bowl available to him, but he hasn’t shown any interest in anything except charging through it on the way to his basking rock. The previous diet causing the salt accretion... the pet store was feeding him several crickets a day. Are there any telltale signs of dehydration? He is typically wrinkly, but seems perfectly sound in comparison to various other animals I’ve seen.

Once again, I appreciate your help.
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12/02/04 2:35pm
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#195985 SauronAndOn
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Message To: Memoriam In reference to Message Id: 192365
Nervous new owner - defecation frequency? Salt crusts?  Interesting substrate... what are you using?
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12/08/04 12:43pm
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#196043 Pogos grandma
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Message To: SauronAndOn In reference to Message Id: 195985
Nervous new owner - defecation frequency? Salt crusts?  I think her message said tightly woven astroturf flooring.
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12/08/04 2:35pm
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#196049 SauronAndOn
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Message To: Pogos In reference to Message Id: 196043
Nervous new owner - defecation frequency? Salt crusts?  err, right. She sure did. I *meant* to type, "where did you get it?" but my synapses must have ambushed the message en route to my fingers. In light of the playsand-impaction news, I think I’m going to roll up to Home Depot tonight and take a look for this astoturf. If it’s good enough for the Colts, it’s good enough for me.
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12/08/04 2:51pm
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#196590 Keyatra
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Message To: SauronAndOn In reference to Message Id: 196049
Nervous new owner - defecation frequency? Salt crusts?  The soak wont hurt But the first time i put mine in water he freakes out! The i put him in less water and he loved it. Use just enough so that his back isnt covered and make sure it is about 105deg. He may like it, also try dripping some water on his snout in the morning, mine will take a couple drops. I use a q-tip so im sure no water gets in their nose. good luck, by the way how did you find your vet, im looking for one in Amsterdam NY.
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12/09/04 9:59am
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#198289 Memoriam
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Message To: SauronAndOn In reference to Message Id: 196049
Nervous new owner - defecation frequency? Salt crusts?  Good call; I actually did pick that up at Home Depot. :) It’s in the outdoor carpeting section; there’s four or five different types available, it’s the least particulate one, and I believe the darkest green in color.Fair warning, though, it’s not the easiest thing in the world to clean, particularly if your uro is skittish. (You need to pat the area with a wet sponge or towel after picking up.) I wouldn’t really recommend it for long term use, but I needed a flat, non-digestible surface for him to settle in on, and he managed to shred both newsprint and paper bags. :)
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12/12/04 11:14pm
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#198292 Memoriam
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Message To: Keyatra In reference to Message Id: 196590
Nervous new owner - defecation frequency? Salt crusts?  As suspected, I was just being paranoid; it took him about four days, but everything is working properly. He does have a slight touch of pinworms, but being wild caught, it’s only to be expected; my vet suspects the original broker may have tried to deworm him already. We’ll see next week. :)As far as locating vets, I’m fortunate enough to have a pretty gifted veterinarian attached to my local wildlife center; however, I’ve found http://www.herpvetconnection.com/ to be a boon. Even if there’s not one in your immediate area, it’s always worth it to make the extra effort to see an experienced reptile veterinarian; you’ll be wishing you’d driven that extra half hour when you walk into a local examining room and hear, "Hmm, well, that’s not an iguana." :)
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12/12/04 11:19pm
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#198676 James James
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Message To: Memoriam In reference to Message Id: 198289
Nervous new owner - defecation frequency? Salt crusts?  I used to use calci sand, for my Uros cage. Since Uros are messy eaters, this was a sure way to tell that he was getting the calcium he needs,fore he would drop his food on the floor of the cage before eating it. Now his cage has been upgraded to a 75 gallon breeder. Using calci sand now would be to expensive. I now use standard beach sand. Simply change his sand about every month.
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12/13/04 9:50pm
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#198684 James James
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Message To: Memoriam In reference to Message Id: 192365
Nervous new owner - defecation frequency? Salt crusts?  I’ve heard soaking of Uros to be somewhat of a contraversial topic. And some might say questionable and perhaps harmful. I ’ ve owned my Mali now for over two years. I do soak him about once a month.He didn’t like it at first, but now seems to enjoy it. I do not use a water bowl. Has anyboby else ever heard of soaking to be harmful?
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12/13/04 10:02pm
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#198732 Uro_fan
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Message To: James In reference to Message Id: 198676
Nervous new owner - defecation frequency? Salt crusts?  JJ, Calci-sand is not a very good substrate choice even if you could afford to use it. I would suggest a little research on calci-sand should you decide in the future to go back to using it. Regarding baths…. Bathing can possibly lead to extended dampness between the whorls (especially if the ambient temperatures are too low) which may possibly result in infection or fungus. Bathing has also resulted in both respiratory illness and deaths in uromastyx that have aspirated the fluid.
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12/13/04 10:51pm
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#198894 Memoriam
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Message To: James In reference to Message Id: 198676
Nervous new owner - defecation frequency? Salt crusts?  I always keep new animals on a flat surface for awhile for ease of observation - bowel movements, shedding, behavior. For instance, Zartan, the uro, actually ate the paper towels he was originally on, so it’s entirely likely he will chew on anything else provided. The astroturf is impossible for him; I was considering going with Bed-A-Beast, but based on the information on this board, I think I’m going to give millet seed a try.My main experience is with keeping bearded dragons, and I took much the same route you did. I originally had my beardie on Calcisand, as it was touted as such a safe and attractive bedding; he developed an impaction that required a week’s worth of force-feeding, soaks, mineral oil, and tummy rubs to break up. Afterwards I went with washed playsand, and a year or so later he developed another impaction, this one requiring surgery. I know that uros have a significantly different digestive tract than beardies, and that plenty of animals have no problems using it, but after those experiences, I will never place another animal on sand of any kind; it’s just too risky. As far as soaks go, obviously I am not an expert; but unless directed otherwise by an experienced keeper or vet, I don’t think they’ll will ever be part of the normal routine. While they’re a basic treatment for possible impactions, I can’t imagine an animal that doesn’t even drink will benefit much from baths. :)
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12/14/04 6:51am
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#198914 Frocto
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Message To: Memoriam In reference to Message Id: 198894
Nervous new owner - defecation frequency? Salt crusts?  The only time I soak my uros now is during a bad shed. When I first got them I soaked them to get the smell of their own urine off of them from being in a shipping container and going to the bathroom. On the salt crusts I have noticed with mine that as they have become accustomed to my diet for them of endive and escarole as staples that the salt excretion has dropped, Yoda would constantly be covered when I first got him but now doesn’t have near as much. (I’m guessing this is good, they all still do it regularly but just not as much).On the defecation frequency I am comparing fiber content based on a nice food analysis chart on www.beautifuldragons.com that lists the main food content for each food. With one of my uros that ate alto of bird seed I have added more collard greens to his diet since it is higher in fiber in hopes of helping him expel the seeds. My other 2 uros aren’t getting that much of the collards, just now and then. Uro_Fans post about higher fiber helping with impactions and overall husbandry got me interested in checking into higher fiber foods. Trent
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12/14/04 9:05am
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