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 Is it puberty?

Is Molly a...Mal? I’ve been noticing my Mali Uro has been extremely cranky lately, lethargic, not had a huge appetite. It makes sense since it’s been shedding but I’ve also noticed a LOT of black showing up in the tail. It started with a few bars but now the tail is probably about 75% black, there’s black spots on her neck, she’s got some larger black spots at the base of her neck, sorta near her shoulders.

There was some confusion from the vet about the sex, the pores are pretty large but he thought he was mistaken and the uro had more female characteristics. Now I’m confused to...

Maybe someone with more experience would know the whole puberty cycle as far as males go?



08/22/08  06:43pm

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  Message To: Morsel   In reference to Message Id: 1839683


 Is it puberty?

Please read the post ,"Before Posting " , and answer the questions so we can help you better. A uro that is lethargic and has a bad appetite is a sick Uro.May time because your temps are wrong . When did he last have a fecal check done ? It also sounds like he has some kind of fungus infection and possibly tail rot . I would get a stool sample and get it into a vet right away . Tail rot and most skin problems come from inadequate husbandry . So if you give us more info on your set up we might be able to make some suggestions on how to correct it .



08/23/08  07:58am

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  Message To: Morsel   In reference to Message Id: 1839683


 Is it puberty?

No it is not puberty



08/23/08  07:59am

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  Message To: Skullkeeper   In reference to Message Id: 1840130


 Is it puberty?

It’s most certainly not tail rot. I had a fecal done last month when I took her to the vet in June and everything came back perfect, she got an absolute perfect and clean bill of health. I’m not referring to any sort of rot, I mean the actual -colors- of the scales, the pigment has been changing, the black bands have been getting larger.

more info below:

1) How long have you owned the animal

5 months

2) Dimensions of the enclosure you are using. Measure it- do not guess or give gallon size

75 gallon reptile tank. want to say 24" wide and about 4’ long 18" tall.

3) Species (if known), length, and weight of the animal

Mali. 10 inches, weight unknown at the time, too squirmy to get an accurate reading.


4) Listing of all animals kept in the enclosure referred to in the post

She’s the only animal.

5) Basking spot temperature and how that temperature was measured

120-130 degrees.

6) Temperature throughout the rest of the enclosure (warm and cool areas) and how these temperatures were measured e.g. digital thermometer, stick on dial thermometer. Provide the nighttime temperatures as well.

100-105 on the hot side of the tank and about 85 degrees on the cooler side (depending, that side is next to a brick wall that retains some heat during the day)

7) Acknowledge whether you are using a UVB bulb and if so, the brand, age of bulb, and distance from the bulb to the uromastyx

8) Diet items being fed and how often each item is fed

Escarole, Radichio (sp?), sweet fennel, dandelion greens, occasional lentils, bee pollen granules (small amount every day), occasional fruits for treats. Millet Seed.

9) List of the supplements being used, how much is used, and how often the supplement is used

Calcium suppliment sprinkled once a week.

10) Type of substrate (cage bottom material). If this is sand, state whether it is calcium sand

Millet Seed.

11) Describe your animal’s daily routine. When it exits the hide, when it retreats for the night, how long it is usually out throughout the day, is it active during this time, how much time does it spend sitting on the basking spot….

Wake up time is in the morning, the light goes on she goes to the basking spot and warms up. Pretty much basks, runs off, glass dances, goes back, eats some food, basks more. Etc, this goes on until the evening. She usually digs herself under her food dish or in a hide and goes to sleep. Thats when the lights go off.

12) Describe your animal’s appetite.
She eats occasionally, I know for a fact she’s been feasting like crazy on the seed though which is why her appetite for fresh greens might be not as much as it could be.

13) Describe any unusual behaviors you are seeing or any recent changes in behavior. Also note whether any recent modifications have been made to this animal’s environment. e.g new enclosure, move to another room, new heat bulb....

Nothing’s been changed recently. no real changes in behavior other than some lethargy during shedding time (she has dull spots forming on her back, shed her tail last month, her feet a couple of weeks ago etc).

14) Describe how often this animal is handled and the type of handling.
A head scritch, maybe once a day. Otherwise left alone.

15) State whether the animal has been to a vet, when that was, and whether the animal was diagnosed with a medical condition. Also state whether the uromastyx has ever had a fecal check. If so states when the fecal check was done, what was found, and if medication was prescribed.

She was taken to a vet in June. No medical conditions were found, had a clean fecal. Called a beautiful, bright eyed specimen and given a clean bill of health.



08/24/08  12:45am

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  Message To: Morsel   In reference to Message Id: 1840919


 Is it puberty?

The way your first post was written it sounded like you was concerned about the coloring of the scales . I took it that they looked abnormal to you . He maybe getting ready to shed . The lighting and the temps .will also effect his coloring .If he is eating a lot of the millet ,I would change substrates .I would not give Bee Pollen granules on a daily basis . Only a sprinkle once every week or two. It contains protein .Same thing with lentils, only a few once every week or so as a treat . What kind of thermometers are you using ? I would try to get my cool end down to 80* instead of 85* . I know it seems like a small difference but I would lower it slightly and see if it makes a difference in her activity. I assume you have a good UVB light . What distance from the bottom of the cage and what type of UVB light ? When was the bulb bought ?



08/24/08  06:28am

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  Message To: Skullkeeper   In reference to Message Id: 1840976


 Is it puberty?

I’m not really concerned about it, just more of a curiosity about some of the changes I was observing.

I’m using digital thermometers to monitor the ambient temperatures. I’ve got several rocks in the basking area at various heights, the tallest getting warmer than the lower ones etc. I’d say there’s about 14-18 inches of space between them and the lights. It works out pretty well, she’s able to pick whichever rock she wants. She uses the taller one to bask and then takes a nap on the lower one.

I’ll see if I can cool down that other side a little bit, it’s just difficult with that brick wall on that side. That wall probably gets to 100 degrees by about 3pm because of the desert sun beating down on it.

I have a mercury vapor bulb that I purchased in May with the animal. I used to have another light, a 60 watt to add some more heat but that was earlier in summer. It’s probably going to be coming back on as it cools off here and will stay there through the winter.

Is there anything else besides Play Sand that’s recommended? I have issues with using a ground glass or silicone based substrate (which is what most play sand is).



08/24/08  10:28am

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  Message To: Morsel   In reference to Message Id: 1841071


 Is it puberty?

I would be concerned if hes lethargic and not eating well especially if its for more than a couple of days .You may want to have another fecal check done . Some times parasites do not show up in a sample .The washed sifted play sand is not crushed glass . But it does seem to vary from place to place. What I have in fine , very white clean sand . Some people have found theirs to be dirty looking with larger particles . You can open a bag and look at it before you buy it . Usually there will be some on the floor from busted bags . Or you can buy pool sand where they sell pools . Some one it might have been Eltoro, I am not sure said that’s what he uses .Look at the ingredients and see how fine the sand is before buying. You could also sift out any large particles .

You can also use millet or finch or paretkeet seeds . Remove any large seeds and alway freeze it for 6 hours or more to kill any bugs that maybe in it .Some people use a combination of slate or tiles , with sand or seeds .



08/24/08  03:33pm


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