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Americanchld View Profile |
Update on Moe
I love green, I feed both inside and outside the tank, just in case he likes one way over another. I like Hoppy’s suggestion that they bond to you. Anyway today when I when I placing him back in the tank, I notice a long cunky white thing hanging off his belly. Thinking it it might just be something having to do with the substrate, I started to pull it off. I realized it didn’t come off easily, and when I turned him over I realized he was peeling. It kind of looks like a human peeling from a bad sun burn. (not that moe is pink or red, just that his skin is peeling off like a humans) I think he might be shedding. He also had light green spots on his back, and has been sleeping in his hide both day and night. Do they not eat when they shed? again I haven’t had a frog long enough for them to shed on me, however I do have leopard gecko. The geckos are more sensitive when they shed, are frogs the same way? |
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| 02/29/08 10:24pm |
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Rrrragdoll View Profile |
Message To: Americanchld In reference to Message Id: 1643195 Update on Moe
The lime green spots are not good from what I’ve read on other forums, I have never dealt with them in mine. Some type of bacterial infection? Check out the thread on Melafix, you can get just a small bottle. |
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| 02/29/08 10:44pm |
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Froggy&Gribbit View Profile |
Message To: Americanchld In reference to Message Id: 1643195 Update on Moe
He might go in the water more often to help the shedding process and he may not eat as much during the shed. Some it stresses a little and some seem to go through the process with no problems at all. He many suck in his tummy at the sides and make almost a convulsing move. He may "yawn" over and over again and rub his body with his back legs towards the front and then his front legs over his head to draw the skin into his mouth as they usually eat the shed skin. I agree with the bonding process too. I had one of our WTF that came to us very sick with parasites. I spent many hours very close to him working on healing him and to this day we have a special bond. My youngest daughter and I now "share" his care and my oldest daughter has her own WTF. The frogs clearly have a bond with us. They know our touch and voice and are relaxed and comfortable with the one who predominantly cares for them. |
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| 02/29/08 10:46pm |
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MacinMan View Profile |
Message To: Rrrragdoll In reference to Message Id: 1643220 Update on Moe
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| 02/29/08 10:56pm |
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MacinMan View Profile |
Message To: MacinMan In reference to Message Id: 1643241 Update on Moe
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| 02/29/08 11:03pm |
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Americanchld View Profile |
Message To: MacinMan In reference to Message Id: 1643247 Update on Moe
However if you still think there is some concern, I will keep an eye on him. |
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| 02/29/08 11:21pm |
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MacinMan View Profile |
Message To: Americanchld In reference to Message Id: 1643270 Update on Moe
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| 02/29/08 11:55pm |
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Americanchld View Profile |
Message To: MacinMan In reference to Message Id: 1643305 Update on Moe
I took Moe to two different places who knows about frogs. Both said that he is alert and active, and looking healthy. They said he was a little thin, but not too bad. His shedding condition is the reason why he is not eating. And the spots are once again his orignal color. They don’t look out of the ordinary. So everything is fine. I do however have to keep a count of the crickets in the tank, if he is still not eating anything in a couple of days I’ll take him into a vet. But I think everything is fine for right now. |
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| 03/03/08 03:27pm |
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MacinMan View Profile |
Message To: Americanchld In reference to Message Id: 1646175 Update on Moe
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| 03/03/08 06:49pm |
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Hoppy View Profile |
Message To: Americanchld In reference to Message Id: 1646175 Update on Moe
It sounds like a shedding to me also... You will find when a frog is ill they will shed more to rid the toxin or infection so actually a good sign. The concern I do have though is how long is it taken for him to shed... If he is showing shedding for days it would be wise to use the mela fix as there is something underlying... Is his waste ok? In right conditions only a couple of hours is needed but this is the process once started. They can go a few days with the skin looking like ready to peel or you may notice a whiter coloration or even a pce of skin torn say.... The lime green is nothing to concern with. The only time these are of concern is if raised to the tough like a pimple etc. It would then be a fungus sign.. Many frogs will show lighter colors of lime to yellow or even white after hiding in a darker place or some just have colored spots that show on and off almost a pigment that comes out with their chemistry.. Only use the mela fix if needed....you are correct on this as its just like with people antibiotics... Abosolutely correct on the assumption it takes its effectiveness when really needed if used carelessly.. Its a good idea though if any sign of illness and you have spoken to an experienced member to ask if using it would help as you want to get to the illness early.... Are you misting? HOPPY |
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| 03/04/08 07:23am |
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Americanchld View Profile |
Message To: Hoppy In reference to Message Id: 1647217 Update on Moe
He still did not eat any of the crickets in the cage yesterday, there were still the same amount this morning. However, I did not take him out yesterday, as I had a meeting I needed to be at. I have not seen any signs of poop. He has squrited me a couple of times. I only saw poop once and cleaned it up. It looked like a little poop ball and looked wet. (Sorry Im a first grade teacher) I mist everyday, once in the morning before I leave for work. When I come home, I mist again because humidity is down to 40--48%. Then I check before I go to bed to see if I need to mist again. I only mist if the humidity is not correct. Since I have leopard gecko’s I do have waxworms and mealworms should I try any of these? Or is there another worm they like to eat? |
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| 03/04/08 12:54pm |
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Hoppy View Profile |
Message To: Americanchld In reference to Message Id: 1647434 Update on Moe
It really sounds like something isn’t quite right... How long has he not been eating? I went back to your other post to check a few things... Is this a new frog? I take from the last post that it is... Sometimes when first home if conditions are correct they won’t eat for a week. Is it past this? Though I like outside feedings are you still placing some in his tank for him to hunt? Some that are stressed from travel and new home etc its best to leave for a few days with minimal food say a couple crix then wait a day then another two if those get eaten... Other Whites will eat with gusto first days home in and out of tank. Each frog is different and has its own personality. My concern is stress. Some of these frogs have traveled in a tiny container for days and in a plane with no heat... Do you have mela fix? Before starting this I want to make sure he’s not just new and settling.. The squirt as you refer is a stress reaction.... The frog to most seems to pee but its actually the extra water they carry so they leave water areas and in time of extreme dry periods. When this happens its vital you get him back to water so they can replenish...In time you will find he comes without any water loss and to you willingly.. The main issue with frogs is heat so double check your temps and insure your substrate temps on the warm side are at least 75f... Try to do things on routine where possible like changing water. This builds trust and familiarity.. HOPPY |
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| 03/04/08 03:51pm |
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Hoppy View Profile |
Message To: Hoppy In reference to Message Id: 1647660 Update on Moe
I meant to add; you can try wax worms.. Most won’t except them as they move to slow. The other issue and again a controvercial subject.. I only feed crix. The only reason is when ill a frog is better off with parasite loads they are accustomed to. In the breeders and wilds they eat crix as their main diet. HOPPY |
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| 03/04/08 04:05pm |
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Americanchld View Profile |
Message To: Hoppy In reference to Message Id: 1647691 Update on Moe
After I lost Bob, I went into the reptile store, they knew me their. They said I should try the White’s because they were more hardy, and had the same type of set up as the American. I think I have noticed 1 poop in 3 weeks, which I know is not good, that’s why all these questions. Moe came from a reptile store, that sells from breeders. The breeders bring them in and the store sells them. From what I can remember he has only eaten once durring outside feedings. There are currently 6 crickets in the tank for Moe to eat, these are left in their all the time. His tank is covered on 3 sides with black trash bag. Something else, the tank is on eye level with my dog (away from my window). My dog likes to bark and attack the crickets, could this stress out the frog? I might have to move the tank again. I don’t have Mela fix, but I don’t know where to get it. He has only peed on me 2, not everytime I hold him. When I take him out to feed him he seems mellow. My temp is measured 1/4 of the way from the top. I will get another temp for the substrate. I do have a UTH and a heat lamp on it everyday. Water is changed in the morning and feeding happends at 7pm everynight. |
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| 03/04/08 04:51pm |
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Froggy&Gribbit View Profile |
Message To: Americanchld In reference to Message Id: 1647761 Update on Moe
Mela fix you can buy in the fish department at walmart. |
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| 03/04/08 07:19pm |
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Hoppy View Profile |
Message To: Americanchld In reference to Message Id: 1647761 Update on Moe
I would get the mela fix for sure even to keep on hand its very cheap around $5.. Do you have guages in the tank all the time? You said a 1/4 of the way up for a reading??? Insure you guages are placed properly: Temp guage should be 3/4 of the way up on the glass on back or side on warm side of tank. Aim for 85f Humidity guage 1/2 way up on glass below the temp guage... around 50% This gives the best readings... If it turns out he is ill then your temps should be 85f all the time. Or even 90f so substrate is much warmer... Check this and then see if temps need changing. Usually when a frog won’t settle or eat its because something is just not quite right. It can be something so simple. Keep your humidity low say not above 50% for now. Once we know if temps are right etc then we can see on treatment. Whites eat with gusto like a pig....they generally are very aggressive so yours is ill or lethargic because of temps. Mela fix can be bought at walmart too (Its a fish medication)... ( Don’t buy perma fix)... there is two types of Mela fix, so buy either if only one is there, if both buy the one for fish tanks (The other is for ponds).. HOPPY |
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| 03/05/08 07:28am |
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Americanchld View Profile |
Message To: Hoppy In reference to Message Id: 1648692 Update on Moe
the temp and humidity readings are on the same thing, because its digital. I am going to tank off the black and trash bag and put up green paper instead. I took off the uv light and have a signal heat lamp on during the day. I did not mist this morning, to keep humidity below 50%, per Hoppy’s suggestion |
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| 03/05/08 11:07am |
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Americanchld View Profile |
Message To: Americanchld In reference to Message Id: 1648873 Update on Moe
Now petsmart has 20gallon long on sale for $28 and they are usually around $35 or so, here in California. Would Moe do better in a bigger tank, is that why he’s not settling in? |
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| 03/05/08 02:39pm |
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Hoppy View Profile |
Message To: Americanchld In reference to Message Id: 1649077 Update on Moe
Size of tank won’t make a difference when young and as a temporary tank. We use small tanks for sick/quarantine tanks. Young frogs I reccomend using a smaller tank till they are 2 inches to insure they eat well etc... Usually its something in the envioronment that isn’t quite right...like heat, humidity, sun heating the tank, something toxic in the tank... All these things should be looked at. Anything from outside like branches etc can be potential danger when unsure what type of branch.... You may find its even just the dog.... See how it goes... HOPPY |
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| 03/05/08 04:20pm |
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Americanchld View Profile |
Message To: Hoppy In reference to Message Id: 1649208 Update on Moe
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| 03/06/08 10:49pm |
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Hoppy View Profile |
Message To: Americanchld In reference to Message Id: 1651117 Update on Moe
A lot of the soils can carry insect eggs that hatch under the warm moist conditions.. I always suggest baking the soils even if they say on the bag sterile like the pet shop type.... It could just be leaf litter insects that breaks down decay and animal waste. This seems to be the most popular amongst the sold sterile soils. I would start over for sure. Even though some are harmless insects including these leaf litter types they are unsightly for anyone to see. If you go with soil again... bake it for at least 30 min on 250f..... You could even try doing this with the one you have if not too many insects are seen... ( I know some go as long as an hour in the oven.. Some can be very difficult to get rid of... I must add by your description I’m not sure if its the leaf litter type. These are usually a white or grey color, tiny. Some have seen them in water... These are mostly known as Springtails. You might be able to google these to see if it looks the same to what you saw... HOPPY |
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| 03/07/08 06:55am |
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Americanchld View Profile |
Message To: Hoppy In reference to Message Id: 1651302 Update on Moe
Last night he spent all night in his water dish soaking, and when I got up this morning he was still in it. Any advice, will he last through the day? I have to go to work. |
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| 03/07/08 09:39am |
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Americanchld View Profile |
Message To: Americanchld In reference to Message Id: 1651380 Update on Moe
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| 03/07/08 07:34pm |
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Americanchld View Profile |
Message To: Americanchld In reference to Message Id: 1651989 Update on Moe
Feeding last night, I took him out of the water, I think he ate a small cricket. This morning I thought I heard some faint barking sounds from him, while holding him. I also checked the cage and more of those crickets are gone too. I will see what happens tonight. Maybe he will survive after all. |
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| 03/08/08 10:14am |
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Hoppy View Profile |
Message To: Americanchld In reference to Message Id: 1652617 Update on Moe
They can be very surprising... As long as eating its a good sign.. The all day in water isn’t the best sign but it could mean that he’s ridding a toxin. This is the only way they can by flushing the system so keep his water spotless... Keep up hope... If it helps any... I had a sick frog and he didn’t eat for a full two months and never moved . Then he just began after the medications and care and he’s here today... He was ill from transport so had a bacterial infection and was also impacted on spanish moss and bark.. The pet shops here use the darn bark for them... It would slowly come out in his soaks... HOPPY |
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| 03/08/08 01:30pm |
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