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 #1606023


Camelboy456
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 HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!

My frogs are in like a coma and one is moving its eyes and toes and his skin is falling off his knee. The other looks about the same but is changing colors! Help!!



02/02/08  01:50pm

 #1606054


Ahoppinmom
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  Message To: Camelboy456   In reference to Message Id: 1606023


 HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!

i’m new to owning wtf’s, but have seen bunches of posts here about shedding. maybe search forum for shedding and what the frogs do when they are doing this. sorry i’m not much help.



02/02/08  02:15pm

 #1606061


Camelboy456
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  Message To: Ahoppinmom   In reference to Message Id: 1606054


 HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!

I thought about that, but one of them is dead I think and the other it looks like its bone sticking outt not new skin.



02/02/08  02:19pm

 #1606117


Whitie
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  Message To: Camelboy456   In reference to Message Id: 1606061


 HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!

Can you show a pic of your tank and frog?
Give us alittle more info.
How is your tank set up? What all do you have in it?
What is the heat and humidity in the tank?
How long have you had these frogs?
What are you feeding them and are you dusting it with vitamins?
Had they been eating and going potty normal, how long has this been going on?



02/02/08  03:01pm

 #1606214


Hoppy
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  Message To: Whitie   In reference to Message Id: 1606117


 HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!



Remove the frogs imediately from whatever envioronment they are in and put in a sick type tank....just a container of sorts like an icecream container will do.....

Put paper towel on the bottom.... dip each frog in clean treated water (put in so they can either lay or sit in it for a min or two)...place in ice cream container with a plate on top so they can’t escape...
Put a desk light above the container for warmth.... check on them in 1/2 hour...

During this time set up a sick tank....85f, paper towel, little deco, darkened..

If they have survived move to sick tank now ...Do the mela fix dip (mela fix instructions on forum post) and put in sick tank...

Let me know how it goes.... From your post they have been effected by something toxic...I’m going by the little information you have given...

I will check this post later.. Good luck..

HOPPY



02/02/08  03:57pm

 #1606254


Camelboy456
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  Message To: Hoppy   In reference to Message Id: 1606214


 HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!

The girl is dead for sure and the I think the boy just died, I recently changed them from dirt to repticarpet and the night before they were fine they were jumping around and singing, so I don’t want could have happened. The skin on the boys leg completely fell off, and his eyes got whit dots on them like the girl did before he died and he stopped moving. I am so confused and if there were chemicals that they were exposed to I want to make sure that my bearded dragon is not exposed, is there a way to tell? Thanks.



02/02/08  04:29pm

 #1606272


Hoppy
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  Message To: Camelboy456   In reference to Message Id: 1606254


 HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!


Can’t say for sure...aerasols etc...

If you just changed the substrate its most likely something to do with it.... Some of the repti carpets are very rough on the skin... There is one thats like felt on the bottom which is soft and the other a silk type grass on the top.. I don’t like them; there is issues with all substrates mind you...

Some of the repti carpets that I have seen are plastic....not only with frogs is it rough it can be toxic. Plastic with them under lights heats and gives off toxins..

Get the boy right away..slim chance but you never know..... Sorry for your loss. Its tough when things were so well beforehand..

Keep in mind that I never change a winning game unless it puts them at risk. Frogs stress severly with change. Your frogs may of liked burrowing before so tried to do so in the carpet injurying themselves....

there is alot of answers that are going through my mind. First though is to get hopefully the one alive away from that area...

HOPPY



02/02/08  04:47pm

 #1606593


Camelboy456
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  Message To: Hoppy   In reference to Message Id: 1606272


 HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!

The boy is for sure dead now, and I feel awful, I knew that it was important for the bearded dragons to have repticarpet, and I had a hard time cleaning out the cage with the dirt in it. They did burrow alot and I feel so bad about changing it. I’m gonna make sure everything is ok with the bearded dragon.



02/02/08  08:44pm

 #1606680


Whitie
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  Message To: Camelboy456   In reference to Message Id: 1606254


 HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!

Was this repticarpet new? Have you washed it before? Had you used this carpet for something else before?
I really don’t think the carpet it self would have done that, unless it had been washed in detergent of some kind and it didn’t get rinsed and dried properly. There are several people that use it and have not had any problems. Did you change any thing else in the tank when you took the dirt out? Did you clean the tank or decorations with soap or something that might not have gotten rinsed out?



02/02/08  09:27pm

 #1606763


Greentreefroglover
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  Message To: Whitie   In reference to Message Id: 1606680


 HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!

I use the repticarpet for my peron tree frogs and i used it for my whites as well ive used it for over a year now and i have had no problems at all with it, when i wash it i wash it just in plain water ring it out well and put it back in, repticarpet is used for reptiles (lizards, dragons etc)
repticarpet is used with bearded dragons and there environment is much hotter then a frog tank a BD’s tank is for a young beardie 110 f and adult bd is 95f a frog tank is 80f so the carpet would have to put up with the heat, whats safe for lizards are safe for frogs just like whats safe for fish is safe for frogs.
there is carpet that you can get from a $2 shop that looks similar to repticarpet though i wouldnt use that type as its not made to with stand heat and could leak out toxins.

So the problem your having with your frogs i dont think its the repticarpet causeing the problem unless you have used chemicals on it to wash it.

im sorry to hear about your frogs. pictures would of been good for everyone to see whats happening.



02/02/08  10:05pm

 #1606790


Froggy&Gribbit
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  Message To: Greentreefroglover   In reference to Message Id: 1606763


 HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!

sorry if this sounds like a dumb question but your post was a bit confusing. Was the beardy and the frogs in together??



02/02/08  10:17pm

 #1606820


Greentreefroglover
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  Message To: Froggy&Gribbit   In reference to Message Id: 1606790


 HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!

No the beardie and frog are housed together we are decussing the repticarpet witch is used with reptiles (bearded dragons etc)



02/02/08  10:47pm

 #1606842


Camelboy456
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  Message To: Greentreefroglover   In reference to Message Id: 1606820


 HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!

yeah the beardie and the frogs are not in the same cage, sorry for not getting pictures up but they were fine earlier and when I found them the girl was pretty much dead and my camera didn’t work right. I’m gonna wait until the ground thaws here and bury them.



02/02/08  11:07pm

 #1606865


Greentreefroglover
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  Message To: Camelboy456   In reference to Message Id: 1606842


 HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!

if your going to wait for the ground to thaw to bury them put the frogs in a bag and then in the freezer that way they dont start to deconpose and smell. then when the ground is thawed burry them.



02/02/08  11:22pm

 #1606899


Camelboy456
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  Message To: Greentreefroglover   In reference to Message Id: 1606865


 HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!

yeah I know, lol. I don’t want to just throw them away or flush them.



02/02/08  11:55pm

 #1607044


MacinMan
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  Message To: Camelboy456   In reference to Message Id: 1606899


 HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!

Wow, I’m sorry to hear this, I finally caught up on this post, it really sucks to lose a pet, especially when you’ve done everything possible to rescue him/her. I hope no one takes this wrong, but I have an underlying "I hope nothing happens to my frogs" I paid for them with credit and lately when I’ve gotten something on credit, by the time I have it paid off it’s either broken, or breaking (mainly had the issue with routers) but still I can hope the frogs don’t fall into unhappy place as well. anyway, maybe when your burry, put a little flower, or cross with their name over the spot. (if they had names) I assume at this point in the post, they have both passed, If i have been reading correctly.

Clint



02/03/08  03:57am

 #1607159


Whitie
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  Message To: Camelboy456   In reference to Message Id: 1606899


 HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!

So sorry for your loss Camelboy456.

If you are up to it, please answer the questions I asked in another post, so we can narrow it down on what happened. I don’t believe it was the carpet and if we can figure it out it might just help someone else.

again I am so sorry for your loss.



02/03/08  09:10am

 #1608958


Camelboy456
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  Message To: Whitie   In reference to Message Id: 1607159


 HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!

srry I didn’t answer all the questions,
Was this repticarpet new?
yes, I had it for a week.
Have you washed it before?
No
Had you used this carpet for something else before?
Yes, I use the same brand for my bearded dragon, but no the same strip of carpet.
I really don’t think the carpet it self would have done that, unless it had been washed in detergent of some kind and it didn’t get rinsed and dried properly. There are several people that use it and have not had any problems.
Did you change any thing else in the tank when you took the dirt out?
I added a long that they had when they were younger and I took out the backdrop.
Did you clean the tank or decorations with soap or something that might not have gotten rinsed out?
I didn’t rinse off the plants that were hanging on the backdrops or the log.

Hope that helped



02/04/08  08:44am

 #1609588


Froggy&Gribbit
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  Message To: Camelboy456   In reference to Message Id: 1608958


 HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!

awww sorry about your frogs. I would think that they were exposed to somthing toxic.
If you are certain it was not the repticarpet then I would begin to look elsewhere. But where did you have the repticarpet stored?? Possibly on or near something that could have contaminated it??

Think of other possible toxins. Air fresheners or plug ins close to the frogs. Window cleaners used near the frogs, perfumes or cologne. Bug spray........... Just things to think about if you choose to get another frog.



02/04/08  06:35pm

 #1612389


Hoppy
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  Message To: Froggy&Gribbit   In reference to Message Id: 1609588


 HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!



AWWW Sorry camel boy....

Repti carpet can be safe if the right kind....

There is many kinds of Repti carpet though. There is some like silk plans which is soft and fine...Just have to watch misting. There is some though that have rubber backing and others with hard plastic grass etcc....... Depending on the tank heat can play element to toxicity.. In making of some products they have an acid sealer etc.... As frogs absorb through skin it has quite a different effect than any reptile. Most reptiles can lay on something and not worry about abosorbancy. There is also issues of humidity...some reptiles require dry terrain compared to the moist with frogs... water mixes with the chemicals in the carpet turn into a deadly combination.... I could go on and on but you all get the picture...

Whenever something new is added to a tank with the inhabitants taken ill; it becomes suspect and justly so......

Unless anything else around was toxic to them I would say it was the new carpet...

I have found through much research many issues with carpets and frogs...buyer beware..

HOPPY



02/06/08  01:29pm

 #1685586


Daniel ungawa
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  Message To: Hoppy   In reference to Message Id: 1612389


 HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!

Well Camelboy, if you ever get anohter one, make sure it isnt axedently sprayed with chemicals instead of the water.



04/01/08  08:29pm

 #1685644


Daniel ungawa
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  Message To: Daniel ungawa   In reference to Message Id: 1685586


 HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!

jk charlie sry for your loss. dede!! Unguwa!!



04/01/08  08:53pm


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