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Monitorboy319 View Profile |
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| 08/17/06 11:10am |
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Koi View Profile |
Message To: Monitorboy319 In reference to Message Id: 943800 Fast question
I would go with the biggest u can though.  |
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| 08/17/06 11:33am |
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Razeraze View Profile |
Message To: Monitorboy319 In reference to Message Id: 943800 Fast question
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| 08/17/06 11:36am |
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Monitorboy319 View Profile |
Message To: Razeraze In reference to Message Id: 943823 Fast question
Quote: 3ftx2ftx2ft (LxWxH). I’m pretty sure koi is correct as i’ve been around the forums for a lil bit reading 3x2x2. |
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| 08/17/06 11:41am |
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Monitorboy319 View Profile |
Message To: Monitorboy319 In reference to Message Id: 943833 Fast question
Quote: For housing an Ackie monitor I would recommend a 3x2x2 (LWH) enclosure for a single adult. A 4x2x2 (LWH) enclosure can hold a trio
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| 08/17/06 11:42am |
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Dumgener8ion View Profile |
Message To: Monitorboy319 In reference to Message Id: 943835 Fast question
Why would you want to build the minimum enclosure size? What does minimum enclosure size have to do with keeping monitors? What makes people think like this? Really, I want to know, how is keeping an exotic animal in the minimum fun, etc, what is the motivation? Whats the least I can do? Do people ask this when buying a dog? Ben |
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| 08/17/06 11:52am |
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Koi View Profile |
Message To: Monitorboy319 In reference to Message Id: 943835
What Ackie R U getting? I plan 2 get a Yellow ackie at the end of this year or early nxt year. |
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| 08/17/06 11:59am |
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JPsShadow View Profile |
Message To: Dumgener8ion In reference to Message Id: 943850 Fast question
Seeing that this is about an ackie though I doubt it is that well thought out. More likely it is whats the least amount of effort needed to keep it alive? (hopefully I am not right) An ackie can do fine in the cages mentioned as well as would use the space in a 10’x10’ cage. You should be more interested in what is needed within the cage to support the monitor. That after all is the most important aspect. After that then you can determin how much of your house you want to donate to your new monitor. I think we owe these types of questions to the snake breeders keeping them in sliding shoe box drawers. |
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| 08/17/06 12:06pm |
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Dumgener8ion View Profile |
Message To: Koi In reference to Message Id: 943872 Fast question
actually a friend just dropped 10 ackies in my lap. 5 yellow and 5 reds. I have been keeping and breeding monitors for over 10 years. I am wondering WHY you need to know minimum sizes, seems like the wrong question to be asking if you ask me. |
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| 08/17/06 12:06pm |
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Razeraze View Profile |
Message To: Monitorboy319 In reference to Message Id: 943833 Fast question
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| 08/17/06 12:08pm |
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Monitorboy319 View Profile |
Message To: Razeraze In reference to Message Id: 943890 Fast question
Quote: I always wonder this when I seethis question brought up by newbies.
Why would you want to build the minimum enclosure size? What does minimum enclosure size have to do with keeping monitors? What makes people think like this? Really, I want to know, how is keeping an exotic animal in the minimum fun, etc, what is the motivation? Whats the least I can do? Do people ask this when buying a dog? Ben Who are you calling a newbie? Learn whats going on before you post if your saying that to me . Because first of all im not getting a ackie it was from the dwaft monitor forums someone wants to get a ackie and i told them mim is 3x2x2 as i learned from repticzone/ many other sites... Than soemone else said it was 4x2x2. which most people say is good enough for a trio. So the thing is would mim be a 3x2x2 or a 4x2x2 |
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| 08/17/06 12:14pm |
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SHvar View Profile |
Message To: Monitorboy319 In reference to Message Id: 943835 That is in need of rewording.
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| 08/17/06 12:45pm |
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Dumgener8ion View Profile |
Message To: SHvar In reference to Message Id: 943943 That is in need of rewording.
I’m asking for my"friend" ’cause I already know everything! |
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| 08/17/06 12:49pm |
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Pugmar View Profile |
Message To: Dumgener8ion In reference to Message Id: 943949 That is in need of rewording.
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| 08/17/06 01:19pm |
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Pugmar View Profile |
Message To: Dumgener8ion In reference to Message Id: 943850 Fast question
Quote: I always wonder this when I see this question brought up by newbies. He is trying to prove me wrong. Link |
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| 08/17/06 01:25pm |
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Monitorboy319 View Profile |
Message To: Pugmar In reference to Message Id: 943993 Fast question
Quote: Yeah, I see your post Monitor boy, so far it looks like minimum is 4x2x2 like I said.
no not really Quote: 3ftx2ftx2ft (LxWxH).
3x2x2...
I would go with the biggest u can though Quote: raz says 4’x2’x4’ which would be even bigger than you said.
Than dum just said monitors should have a mim cage which is true. So still no 4x2x2 people. Than raz says if ackie gets 2 feet than it should have a 4x2x2 Shavar said an young ackie could have a 3x2x2 an adult should have a 4x2x2 or a pair but he recomends a 3x3x6 even bigger So it doesnt seem as if everyone said a 4x2x2. Everyone is saying bigger better. Quote: Monitor boy, go ahead and put an ackie in your 3x2x2 and see how active he is
Was i the one getting the ackie? No, if i were getting a ackie a 4x2x2 would be no problem as you suggest. Also if im sure you just RECENTLY got your argus and i seen many of your threads and your already a experct on argus? Well this should be an end. I’m not getting the ackie and pugmar your not getting the ackie so leave it to the person on the dwaft forums. |
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| 08/17/06 01:37pm |
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Pugmar View Profile |
Message To: Monitorboy319 In reference to Message Id: 944006 Fast question
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| 08/17/06 02:42pm |
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Razeraze View Profile |
Message To: Monitorboy319 In reference to Message Id: 944006 Fast question
Quote: Than raz says if ackie gets 2 feet than it should have a 4x2x2 no raz didn’t raz saidQuote: 4’x2’x4’ as i think pugmar said. then raz saidQuote: if the ackie gets 2 feet long it will need a 4’x2’x4’. 2 feet high will not allow deep substrate. |
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| 08/17/06 03:03pm |
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Monitorboy319 View Profile |
Message To: Razeraze In reference to Message Id: 944144 Fast question
Quote: Than raz says if ackie gets 2 feet than it should have a 4x2x2
My mistake there you said 4x2x4 not 4x2x2. So basically mim should be a 4x2x4, Not 3x2x2 or 4x2x2. I’m not getting an ackie anyway or anyhow.. it was just some thread in dwaft monitor forum. |
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| 08/17/06 03:57pm |
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Marshall92 View Profile |
Message To: Monitorboy319 In reference to Message Id: 944222 Fast question
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| 08/17/06 04:00pm |
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Razeraze View Profile |
Message To: Marshall92 In reference to Message Id: 944229 Fast question
Quote: I think we owe these types of questions to the snake breeders keeping them in sliding shoe box drawers. and why ben saidQuote: I keep several species of snakes together in pairs, have for their entire lives,( one pair of boas for over 14 years) and have not had any problems with feeding or aggresiveness, and they breed for me like clockwork. I recomend that people use feeding tubs for large snakes, but the main thing is developing a working relationship with your animals. Marshall, I think you could do great with your animals but you need to relax and work with your animals for a while before developing hard and fast ideas about how it is done. Also I do not recomend a set feeding shedule, vary the times and days you feed, keeps your animals on their toes.
until you understand the difference between a bulk breeder and a good keeper perhaps you should stop giving minnimum advice.Raise up your snakes, breed them, raise up a couple ackies, breed them, keep your mind open, and have fun. Cheers, |
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| 08/17/06 04:28pm |
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Marshall92 View Profile |
Message To: Razeraze In reference to Message Id: 944278 Fast question
as for keeping snakes together. its all about what your oppinion is i guess. ive done it, but didnt like it. it stressed out my female but the male was fine. ive seen the way some zoos keep animals in huge display enclosure with 2 or three per cage and its pretty bad. at the sacremento zoo you’ll find 2 ball pythons in the same big cage with no hides, stuck shed, coiled up around eachother. now, you might think when they coil up around eachother they’re being nice to eachother, cuddling, or whatever but really it means one is asserting dominance over the other. that’s not just what experienced keepers have told me but what i’ve experienced. my male would coil around my female and she would always hide and be very stressed. |
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| 08/17/06 05:03pm |
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Dumgener8ion View Profile |
Message To: Marshall92 In reference to Message Id: 944361 Fast question
OPER YOUR MIND 3x2x2 is minimum you say that as if it is fact. That is not a fact, that is an opinion, and you are right, we are all welcome to ours. The deal is, you need to rack up some more experience,and IF you keep an open mind you will learn and grow. You state this care sheet internet info as if it was written in stone. That is the really great part about this hobby, there is so much room for improvement and so much to learn/add. I worked at the Sacramento zoo for 4 years, and you are right, it sucks, big time, especially the reptile dept. don’t get me started. Working there made me want to learn how to improve zoo exhibitry, I think not enough people work in zoos that are disgusted with zoos. But, that , combined with your experience does not mean that the conclusions you have drawn are right. again, keep an open mind, I have snakes that are older than you that have been kept together the entire time( sometimes even when the female is giving birth!) . I was sure I knew what I was doing ten years ago, and I do things quite different now than I did then, I’m sure in another ten I’ll do it different still. Cheers, Ben |
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| 08/17/06 05:29pm |
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Monitorboy319 View Profile |
Message To: Dumgener8ion In reference to Message Id: 944402 Fast question
Quote: You state this care sheet internet info as if it was written in stone.
was that to me? i put the quote from the care sheet about the 3x2x2. It was written from one of the repticzone members. The caresheet is not written in stone and so is none of me, and the rest of ya’ll information so who extaclty determines the mimiuim cage size for a animal that should be free in the wild? Who made the idea of 3x2x2 or even 4x2x2 or the 4x2x4? Its just information we learned threw experience/ other ackie owners correct? So ive seen 3x2x2 ALOT as for mimuim for an ackie but your right 4x2x2 or 4x2x4 would sound better BUT there is no real mimuim cage size i would say. |
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| 08/17/06 05:40pm |
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Marshall92 View Profile |
Message To: Monitorboy319 In reference to Message Id: 944421 Fast question
as for ackie cage size, im done discussing it. i have no more to say. in my oppinion 3x2x2 is the minimum but 4x2x2 is better. im gonna leave it at that and that is just my oppinion. |
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| 08/17/06 07:19pm |
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Scalesantales View Profile |
Message To: Marshall92 In reference to Message Id: 944586 Fast question
I believe your problem to be lack of experience, you seem to draw your own conclusions and opinions from this, you really need to keep an open mind and change your (my way is the only way) attitude. |
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| 08/17/06 08:00pm |
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Razeraze View Profile |
Message To: Marshall92 In reference to Message Id: 944586 Fast question
marshall92 by your measurements an full grown ackie would be able to walk half it’s body length and have to turn around. now you have no experience in egg laying or even keeping an adult ackie so stop talking and start listening. 1 foot of substrate might lead to an egg bound ackie. deeper is better. do not speak as if you are law, you truely lack in experience and are a poor keeper in my opinion don’t turn others into you. |
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| 08/17/06 08:04pm |
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Monitorboy319 View Profile |
Message To: Razeraze In reference to Message Id: 944675 Fast question
Quote: cookie cut care sheets are made possible by anyone online. experience does not need to be validated and it is easier to sell animals if you can give minnimum caging. i could tell you you can keep a boa in a 6x2x2 and you can. why would you do something that cruel to a beautiful animal?
Yeah what you said was extacly true there. =) |
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| 08/17/06 08:38pm |
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SHvar View Profile |
Message To: Razeraze In reference to Message Id: 944675 Actually as far a judging cage sizes we should all watch our..
To think that the average person here keeps larger monitors in cages nowhere near what is being preached for smaller monitors. What I mean is simple, a red ackie can grow to 24 inches as an adult, a yellow can reach from 24-30 inches plus, now we recomend 2 times the length and at least its length for width and depth. lets think about that, how many of us keep 4ft monitors in 4x4x8ft or larger cage alone? How many keep 5ft monitors in 5x5x10ft cages or larger, 10x5x10ft? How many are keeping 6ft monitors in 12x6x6ft or larger,12x6x12ft? How about thse with giant water monitors that have cages 7-9ft wide, 7-9ft high or 14-16ft high, and 14-18ft long? How many use 5-16ft deep of dirt? Ill admit I should have built Sobeks cage 12x5x5 or larger but Im limited by the dimensions of my house, allowing an air space under the cage with blocks to prevent temperature transfer to the floor of the cage and substrate, my ceiling height, and many other things. The idea is what the cage contains, what it allows the monitor to do while inside that cage, substrate makes a big difference, etc etc. I have full confidence that many who are throwing stones live in glass houses and need to cool down a bit. Yes, bigger than what works is better, bigger than that is better yet, and if you can do so, then fine, but it doesnt help to argue a point you dont practice youself. Of course as I said I wouldnt keep an adult ackie in less than a 4x2x2ft cage, with 1ft of substrate. |
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| 08/18/06 02:55am |
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Dumgener8ion View Profile |
Message To: SHvar In reference to Message Id: 945235 Actually as far a judging cage sizes we should all watch our..
What is the problem with recomending large enclosures? I don’t have any adult enclosures smaller than 4x8 floorspace, and no adult monitors over 4 ft. I am currently building a water monitor enclosure ( a job , not for me) that is 12 x 5x 8 tall, and I think it is on the small side for a 6 ft lizard. So what is the hiccup SHVAR? Who is preaching?, sounds like you are, or justifying your own set ups. Why shouldn’t we keep large monitors in large setups, what is the problem? why keep promoting the status quo when it is constantly failing miserably? Why promote apathy? Ben |
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| 08/18/06 10:28am |
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