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 #2086851


Sorrowen
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 Mangrove Monitors

Anybody here keep Mangrove monitor’s cause I would like to know more about them from people who keep them.
10/21/09  10:21am

 #2086864


Silentjt
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   Message To: Sorrowen   In reference to Message Id: 2086851


 Mangrove Monitors

Beautiful animals, but very skittish and shy.
I would not recommend if you want to do more than feed and clean an "empty" cage.





Jesse
10/21/09  10:54am

 #2086912


Sorrowen
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 Mangrove Monitors

Ive read that to the shy thing some monitor’s are just more interactive with people Mangroves aren’t one of them i guess. It’s looking more and more like i will be selecting a blackthroat as ive heard meny good thing’s about them on the forum’s.
10/21/09  12:50pm

 #2086916


LizaB2008
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   Message To: Sorrowen   In reference to Message Id: 2086912


 Mangrove Monitors

You really need to do some thinking before you get any of the monitor species, some species are better known to be handlers while others are known to be something you can look but not touch. As far as I’ve seen all species have the ones you can handle and the look but don’t touch. Even savannah monitors have the look but no touch ones.



10/21/09  01:00pm

 #2086919


Sorrowen
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   Message To: LizaB2008   In reference to Message Id: 2086916


 Mangrove Monitors

In all the reading ive done the only one that ive seen that is very interactive is the akie monitor. My tegu isn’t even that interactive really but he tolerates me im not looking for tame. Monitor and Tame do not exist in all ive read they only say tolerable. Im not looking for tame at all
10/21/09  01:06pm

 #2086930


LizaB2008
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   Message To: Sorrowen   In reference to Message Id: 2086919


 Mangrove Monitors

I’ve seen savannahs that can be held like a baby and love it. I would call that a little more then tolerable, although I agree, there is no such thing as a tame monitor. You just have to keep doing your research and think about which one is right for you and don’t expect it to let you hold it, if you don’t expect it, it’s less likely to let you down. I personally am in love with the black tree monitor, varnus beccarii, but I know that they are not a type of monitor that tolerates being interacted with, I’d love to have one just to look at, not to touch, but for now thats just a dream.



10/21/09  01:26pm

 #2086947


Sorrowen
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   Message To: LizaB2008   In reference to Message Id: 2086930


 Mangrove Monitors

I have looked at ornate Monitor’s but not much information is known about them i do have a question about price though. Does cheaper with monitor lizards mean a bad thing cause ive been comparing prices and such and niles and svannah’s are over flowing on the market. It’s unfortunate for the Nile’s such a misunderstood animal in the herp trade
10/21/09  02:12pm

 #2086961


LizaB2008
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   Message To: Sorrowen   In reference to Message Id: 2086947


 Mangrove Monitors

It all depend on where you do, if you go to a pet store and find a savannah for 20 bucks or a nile for 40 there is something wrong, but if you go to a swap or breeder they are usually in the cheaper range. Just remember when your looking at monitors and making a choice always pick the most energetic one with clear eyes and nice looking scales. Don’t ever get a monitor that is sluggish and not alert, it’s not that way because it’s been handled alot. But I’m sure you know how to pick your reptiles being that you already have a tegu. You just have to watch out for those people who will screw you over just to make a quick buck. Some of the dealers will even force feed caro syrup to make them hyper, thats why you look for clear eyes and healthy looking scales. Talk to the dealers and see how much they know about the species of monitor your buying, find out if they are the original breeder or not. With pet stores, just check and make sure they have the vital signs of beeing a healthy reptile. The bad thing about swaps and stuff like that is that you can’t return the monitor if it is sick or has something wrong with it.



10/21/09  02:31pm

 #2086968


Sorrowen
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   Message To: LizaB2008   In reference to Message Id: 2086961


 Mangrove Monitors

When i got my tegu he was the most active in the tank by far he also had the clearest eye’s. So how much more differnt are Oranet monitor’s and Nile Monitor’s cause they both look about the same almost besides the Ornates Bigger head and jaws.
10/21/09  02:37pm

 #2086999


LizaB2008
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   Message To: Sorrowen   In reference to Message Id: 2086968


 Mangrove Monitors

I’ve only had experiance with the nile, thats something someone who has had both can tell you

Here is a link that might help you a little more then I can as far as that question goes
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10/21/09  03:18pm

 #2087007


Silentjt
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   Message To: Sorrowen   In reference to Message Id: 2086968


 Mangrove Monitors

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Does cheaper with monitor lizards mean a bad thing cause ive been comparing prices and such and niles and svannah’s are over flowing on the market

Wild cought are cheaper than captive bred. Captive bred is preferable. Niles, Savs, Mangroves, Ornates and most Blackthroats will be wild cought.

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So how much more differnt are Oranet monitor’s and Nile Monitor’s

Not much as far as size, temperament and care.

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I’ve seen savannahs that can be held like a baby and love it.


Anthropomorphism, projecting human emotions onto monitors, is an inaccurate way of describing their actions. Even if monitors were capable of expressing emotions such as love, hate or like, they have no way of communicating them to us that we would understand.

Jesse
10/21/09  03:28pm

 #2087031


Sorrowen
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   Message To: Silentjt   In reference to Message Id: 2087007


 Mangrove Monitors

I see people doing that often these projecting emotions onto them but they are highly intelligent lizards from what ive seen and read. And escape artists as well
10/21/09  04:13pm

 #2087039


LizaB2008
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   Message To: Sorrowen   In reference to Message Id: 2087031


 Mangrove Monitors

No one was projecting human emotions, the monitor was simply placed on it’s back and held like a baby. I don’t project human emotions to any of my animals including the dogs even though alot of peole do, I was simply implying that some monitors are and can be a little more then just tolerable of their human owners.



10/21/09  04:24pm

 #2087111


Sorrowen
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   Message To: LizaB2008   In reference to Message Id: 2087039


 Mangrove Monitors

Oh now i see that’s kinda funny and cool to see a lizard do that.
10/21/09  06:23pm

 #2087119


LizaB2008
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   Message To: Sorrowen   In reference to Message Id: 2087111


 Mangrove Monitors

I can do it with my iguana, but she is very trusting of me
10/21/09  06:41pm

 #2087124


AlbigsRule
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   Message To: Sorrowen   In reference to Message Id: 2087111


 Mangrove Monitors

Liza, you seem to cause a lot of arguments on this forum, mainly because you kinda contradict yourself a lot!
A monitor staying still while placed on its back, in the air, is a monitor that is beyond scared out of its mind. You said you don’t project human emotions on monitors?

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that can be held like a baby and love it

What is that?
Sorrowen, you seem to have a pretty descent understanding (better than most of the new people coming on here) I would recommend argus for sure, if you want a larger sized monitor. Just about all of them are captive born and bred.


Brandon
10/21/09  06:46pm

 #2087129


BansheeRacer25
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   Message To: AlbigsRule   In reference to Message Id: 2087124


 Mangrove Monitors

I would like to add to brandons comment. If you do plan to get an Argus make sure you have room for a large cage (10X5X5). Also make sure you have a lot of money for food. My 42" female ate roughly 10 large mice a day.
10/21/09  06:55pm

 #2087135


AlbigsRule
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   Message To: BansheeRacer25   In reference to Message Id: 2087129


 Mangrove Monitors

Thank you William, for the extra information =D ahaha



Brandon
10/21/09  07:03pm

 #2087220


Sorrowen
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   Message To: AlbigsRule   In reference to Message Id: 2087124


 Mangrove Monitors

A argus is what ive been wanting but it’s hard to find them at a good price ive looked at kingsnake and they are around $150 on there. Im still looking for a place with good prices on them Blackthroat’s are a little over a $100 from what ive seen.
10/21/09  09:34pm

 #2087223


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   Message To: Sorrowen   In reference to Message Id: 2087220


 Mangrove Monitors

150 for a cbb animal over a wc bt might be worth it.

...150 shouldn’t be your big worry, the caging and food bill do the real damage.
10/21/09  09:43pm

 #2087227


AlbigsRule
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   Message To: Sulfurboy1o3   In reference to Message Id: 2087223


 Mangrove Monitors

AHHH!! initial price should not be a concern. My albig was eating 5 chicks a night, 2 small rats, and A TON of roaches. It was VERY expensive to keep him fed. Keep that in mind! 150 is a good price for an animal that you know is healthy, and cbb.


Brandon
10/21/09  09:50pm

 #2087229


Sorrowen
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   Message To: AlbigsRule   In reference to Message Id: 2087227


 Mangrove Monitors

My tegu eat’s like a hoarse when he get’s the chance so i understand the large appitite Argues monitor’s are bottomless pit’s from what ive seen. Then again most monitor’s will eat in excess if they can
10/21/09  09:59pm

 #2087231


Sorrowen
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   Message To: AlbigsRule   In reference to Message Id: 2087227


 Mangrove Monitors

Argus certainly entertaining eater’s they really really go after a mouse in a very very aggessive way. But that’s what they do im not one those don’t feed it live because that’s inhuman kinda person they are natural born killer’s and predator’s they are ment to eat live food not that my tegu doesn’t enjoy his fish and ground turky.
10/21/09  10:07pm

 #2087238


LizaB2008
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   Message To: Sorrowen   In reference to Message Id: 2087229


 Mangrove Monitors

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Liza, you seem to cause a lot of arguments on this forum, mainly because you kinda contradict yourself a lot!
A monitor staying still while placed on its back, in the air, is a monitor that is beyond scared out of its mind. You said you don’t project human emotions on monitors?


Alot of arguements start on their own and don’t have anything to do with my post. I would imagine that if the monitor was scared it would be trying to flip itself over and freaking out because thats exactly what his other monitor does if he tries to flip it on it’s back. The monitor just lays there eyes open and everything. I’ll take a picure with my phone the next time I’m over to his house, the monitor even eats food out of his hands while it;s laying like that, I would imagine if the monitor was scared or stressed it wouldn’t eat either.

I’m not going back off subject anymore, this is someone elses thread and it’s rude to take over it by arguing.

I agree an argus would be a really good choice for you. Food really isn’t to costly if you know where and how to buy it. I go to the swaps every months and buy 20 large rats,10 sm. rats, 10 mice, and 20 pinkeys all for around 50 dollars, they are f/t and come in bulk. I order my crickets by the thousands, it costs me 13 dollars for 2000 adult crickets. You have to know when to stop monitors are over eaters and can become overweight.
10/21/09  10:19pm

 #2087249


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   Message To: LizaB2008   In reference to Message Id: 2087238


 Mangrove Monitors

feel free you let me know where you get 2000 crickets for $13 please!!!!
10/21/09  10:37pm

 #2087252


AlbigsRule
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   Message To: LizaB2008   In reference to Message Id: 2087238


 Mangrove Monitors

Sorry to hijack, but!, just because the monitor is not jumping around flipping itself over does NOT mean it’s not scared out of its mind. When varanids get stressed out to a certain point, they become very submissive, and just lay there. Liza you have a LOT to learn!
Back to the OT, i have yet to see a HEALTHY varanid that will not accept f/t rats,mice,chicks. Make sure you have the means to provide for an adult monitor before you get it!


Brandon
10/21/09  10:42pm

 #2087255


LizaB2008
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   Message To: Suzuki4life   In reference to Message Id: 2087249


 Mangrove Monitors

My aunt works at a pet store and we order through their company, thats where I get them from. I can get 1000 for 7 dollars or 2000 for 13, I can get the website but because you would be having them shipped to your home it would cost you 25 dollars for 2000. I’m sorry if you you being a smart alick, but I was telling the truth.



10/21/09  10:43pm

 #2087261


BansheeRacer25
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   Message To: LizaB2008   In reference to Message Id: 2087255


 Mangrove Monitors

please pm me a website where i can get 2,000 for 25 shipped to my home.



10/21/09  10:54pm

 #2087264


LizaB2008
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   Message To: LizaB2008   In reference to Message Id: 2087255


 Mangrove Monitors

When you have a degree in monitor psychology then you can access a monitors behavior, until then, whatever you say. Your right I do have alot to learn, but I’m telling you that monitor is in no stress or scared at all. But you can believe what you believe and I’ll believe what I believe K. Now drop it.

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But that’s what they do im not one those don’t feed it live because that’s inhuman kinda person they are natural born killer’s and predator’s they are ment to eat live food not that my tegu doesn’t enjoy his fish and ground turky.



Not everyone feeds their reptiles f/t because it’s inhumane, they feed f/t because of the serious damage a rat can cause your reptile. Have you seen what a rat can do, it’s not pretty in any way. They are natural born killers, so are boa’s and pythons. Here are some pics of what a rat can do to your reptile.

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That is why we choose to feed f/t, that and it is cheaper and easier to provide. Snakes are the only ones that rats attack and eat. They can do it to your monitor to.



10/21/09  10:57pm

 #2087266


LizaB2008
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   Message To: LizaB2008   In reference to Message Id: 2087264


 Mangrove Monitors

As far as that websire for the crickets goes, let me ask my aunt and I’ll get back to you.



10/21/09  10:58pm
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