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 #1774541


Lampro
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 Little Sneak!!!

I’ve had Satin in her laybox (or my maternity ward) for 2 weeks now, and haven’t seen any sign of eggs. I’ve only been looking through the hole in the lid to see if I could see her and/or her eggs. Well, today when I checked on her she was in the hidebox in the tank, so I checked in the tub for eggs. This is what I found. This is the only part of ANY of the eggs that were showing, all the others were completely buried..........


This is what I found after digging through the whole laybox..........



With the way I’ve been checking on her, she could’ve laid these days ago without me knowing!!! When I took her out to put her back in her tub she was in shed, so it is likely.



06/26/08  03:57pm

 #1774544


MilkY_king
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   Message To: Lampro   In reference to Message Id: 1774541


 Little Sneak!!!

WOW! That’s a pleasant surprise! LOL! Congrats on the eggs Lamp!
06/26/08  03:59pm

 #1774608


Greatballzofire
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   Message To: Lampro   In reference to Message Id: 1774541


 Little Sneak!!!

That’s a trip! Wow. I hope you get a good hatch. Did you cover them back up like she had them?
06/26/08  04:43pm

 #1774659


L.ROY
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   Message To: Greatballzofire   In reference to Message Id: 1774608


 Little Sneak!!!

way to go! Lampro.
06/26/08  05:22pm

 #1774795


Bratty_leo_sun
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   Message To: L.ROY   In reference to Message Id: 1774659


 Little Sneak!!!

That’s awsome Lampro!!!! Congrats!!



06/26/08  06:46pm

 #1774935


L.ROY
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   Message To: Lampro   In reference to Message Id: 1774541


 Little Sneak!!!

Lampro,
let’s see the parents.
06/26/08  09:11pm

 #1775186


Wisema2297
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   Message To: L.ROY   In reference to Message Id: 1774935


 Little Sneak!!!

Good deal Lampro!! Congrats.
06/27/08  01:42am

 #1775203


Lampro
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   Message To: Wisema2297   In reference to Message Id: 1775186


 Little Sneak!!!

Thanks all!!!

GBoF: No, I put them in an incubation tub, (second pic) I do put a paper towel over my eggs because I’ve found they seem to hold the moisture better when I do.

Jetzen: Here ya go...........



06/27/08  02:28am

 #1775229


L.ROY
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   Message To: Lampro   In reference to Message Id: 1775203


 Little Sneak!!!

thanks Lampro,
those two will produce some awesome offspring.
06/27/08  03:47am

 #1775365


Greatballzofire
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   Message To: Lampro   In reference to Message Id: 1775203


 Little Sneak!!!

What beauties! That white one looks like it is made out of pearls! Is that the male?
06/27/08  09:55am

 #1775874


Lampro
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   Message To: Greatballzofire   In reference to Message Id: 1775365


 Little Sneak!!!

Thanks again, the white one is my girl Satin. ;)
I was told the male (Hershey) is het albino, so I SHOULD get a mixed clutch of hatchlings looking like both parents.



06/27/08  07:07pm

 #1775904


Greatballzofire
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   Message To: Lampro   In reference to Message Id: 1775874


 Little Sneak!!!

Satin is the most amazing albino snake I have seen yet. She doesn’t seem to have ANY markings, just solid pearl. I hope they produce some more like her.
06/27/08  07:50pm

 #1775905


Bratty_leo_sun
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   Message To: Lampro   In reference to Message Id: 1775874


 Little Sneak!!!

I love Satin, she is absolutely BEAUTIFUL!!!! I can’t wait to see the babies......make sure you post pics please Lampro!!!!!!
06/27/08  07:51pm

 #1776106


Lampro
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   Message To: Bratty_leo_sun   In reference to Message Id: 1775905


 Little Sneak!!!

Thanks, the reason she looks "cleaner" or whiter than most albinos is because she’s the albino form of the male. That is, she’s both melanistic and amelanistic. The more complete brown/black coloring of the melanistic form gives the albino form a whiter look. Really can’t wait for these little ones to pip!!!

Bratty, you know I will!! ;)
06/27/08  11:08pm

 #1776123


Weecreekers
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   Message To: Lampro   In reference to Message Id: 1776106


 Little Sneak!!!

You can just make out the slightest solid line on her back. She is beautiful. I was wondering what you mean by "het". I have heard it several times and I can’t quite figure it out on my own. Thanks
06/27/08  11:33pm

 #1776333


L.ROY
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   Message To: Weecreekers   In reference to Message Id: 1776123


 Little Sneak!!!

Het-heterozygous=having two differing copies of a particular gene

example,
if you breed an albino to a normal that is’nt carrying the albino gene the babies will be normal but will be carrying the albino gene which will be hidden.

they will be normals but also they will be het for albino because the normal gene is dominate and the albino gene is recessive.

if this don’t make sense to you then
maybe someone else might like to elaborate further.
06/28/08  05:51am

 #1776430


L.ROY
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   Message To: L.ROY   In reference to Message Id: 1776333


 Little Sneak!!!

that don’t sound right to me someone else explain it.
06/28/08  10:22am

 #1776444


Shadowcat0789
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   Message To: L.ROY   In reference to Message Id: 1776430


 Genetics Lesson lol

****Note: The dashes are because the forum wouldn’t post all of the spaces that I originally had so sorry it looks so messy.*****

Here is how it was explained to me and it seems to make a lot of sense this way.

Let’s say an "a" stands for albino. Albino is a recessive trait so let’s make all recessive traits lowercase. Recessive merely means that if put next to a dominate trait it will hide.

Now let’s make an "N" stand for normal. Since normal is the dominate trait let’s make it uppercase.

If an albino snake and a normal snake are bred together then this is what the babies genetics will look like.

----N----N
a--Na--Na
a--Na--Na

So since the babies have both traits but the normal gene is dominate they all appear to be normal but you can see that they carry the recessive albino trait. Now Let’s breed one of those babies to another recessive albino and a pure albino and see what happens.

----N---a
a--Na--aa
a--Na--aa

-----N---a
N-NN--Na
a--Na---aa



So, when one of our babies from the first situation is bred with a pure albino you have a 50% chance the you will get albino babies and all of the babies will at least be het for albino.

When you breed one of the first babies with another het albino you only have a 25% chance for pure albino, a 25% chance that you will get a normal not het for anything and a 50% chance that the babies will at least be het for albino.

If anyone has questions ask and i’ll try to answer tham as best i can but i’m no genetics expert. I just know the basics :-p

One question i do have however, if a snake is het for anything, is there a way you can visually see it? I’ve read on here sometimes people will ask if it’s het for this or that because it looks like it is.
06/28/08  10:55am

 #1790624


Shadowcat0789
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   Message To: Shadowcat0789   In reference to Message Id: 1776444


 Genetics Lesson lol

Does anyone agree or disagree to what I said about the genetics of it all?
07/10/08  11:03pm

 #1790860


Fillerbunny
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   Message To: Shadowcat0789   In reference to Message Id: 1790624


 Genetics Lesson lol

I am not disagreeing but I think i may be able explain it clearer like you said lets use "a" for the albino trait which is recessive which why we are gonna let it be lower case and "N" for the normal dominant trait, now seeing a recessive trait means that you must have two recessive alleles for the recessive trait for it to show as in the case of say an albino which is homozygous for albino but for the dominant trait to show you only need one dominant allele(which is what the letters are representing) this is heterozygous so if one dominant allele is present then this is what is going to be seen as well as if both are dominant, again the only way to seen a recessive trait is if both alleles are recessive (btw each snake gets two alleles one from mom and one from dad) now I didnt understand this
----N----N
a--Na--Na
a--Na--Na Im not sayin its wrong I just dont follow so I will explain it how i understand it and I will use the same pairings first off we are breeding a albino which is "aa" with a normal which is "NN" If you know what foiling is in algebra then this will make it easier but assuming you dont just in case basically multiply each allele with all the others that are not connected with it only once, like this first we start with "aa" take the first allele of the first parent and multiply it by the first allele of the second parent and you get -"aN" then multiply the first allele of the first parent with the second allele of the second parent "aN" then multiply the second allele of the first parent with the first allele of the second parent which give you "aN", then multiply the second allele of the first parent with the second allele of the second parent= "aN" ("aa"x "NN"=aN,aN, aN, aN) which means you get all heterozygous snakes that look normal but all carry one albino allele just like shadow said now if you breed a heterozygous "Na" (it doesnt matter what order you put the alleles in dominant is dominant either way) with a albino "aa" you get "Na", "Na", "aa", "aa" which means you have 50% heterozygous (normal Looking) and 50% albino ("Na"x"aa"= Na, Na, aa, aa) Now if you breed a het with a het you are doing this ("Na"x"Na"=NN, Na, aN, aa) which (though i hope you can ,by now, understand this) means you will get 25% homozygous for normal, 50% heterozygous and 25% homozygous albino I hope I havnt made it even harder to understand if you have any questions problems with this let me know I’ll do my best to explain as for the recessive traits showing in hets we learned about this in flowers where if you cross a homo red flower with a homo white flower sometimes you get a pink one it really late so this may be called something else but i think its called incomplete dominance it happens but as far as i know isnt very common in snakes I nearly sure this is trait specific but thats something Im not so sure about but I do know about my answer about the recessive and dominant alleles I just hope I explained it in an understandable way either way its way too late for me to be up doin this so good night all



07/11/08  05:36am

 #1791015


Greatballzofire
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   Message To: Lampro   In reference to Message Id: 1774541


 Little Sneak!!!

I see that the mama buried her eggs, but that when people move the eggs to the incubating chamber they uncover them in order to see their progress. Doesn’t uncovering them cause a greater risk of drying out? Is there some way to monitor their progress while leaving them covered as the mamas intended?
Do snakes always bury their eggs out of site?
07/11/08  09:27am

 #1791292


Fillerbunny
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   Message To: Shadowcat0789   In reference to Message Id: 1790624


 Genetics Lesson lol

Quote:

Does anyone agree or disagree to what I said about the genetics of it all?


yeah I agree with you i didnt realize it last night but now I see your dash diagram is just a punent square without the boxes I knew you were gettin the right answers I just thought I could explain it better to someone who hasnt seen it before
07/11/08  02:05pm

 #1791848


Sloopies
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   Message To: Shadowcat0789   In reference to Message Id: 1776444


 Genetics Lesson lol

Quote:

One question i do have however, if a snake is het for anything, is there a way you can visually see it? I’ve read on here sometimes people will ask if it’s het for this or that because it looks like it is.



sometimes you can-for example some het pied ball pythons will have a unique black railroad pattern near their vent that lines their underside-yet sibling pied hets of that same clutch can look completely normal.

To answer your question, some snakes can have a visual trait suggesting that they are het for something, but this is a very unreliable way to see if a snake is heterozygous for something.
07/11/08  09:50pm

 #1792175


Lampro
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   Message To: Sloopies   In reference to Message Id: 1791848


 Genetics Lesson lol

Quote:

Doesn’t uncovering them cause a greater risk of drying out? Is there some way to monitor their progress while leaving them covered as the mamas intended?
Do snakes always bury their eggs out of site?



#1- Not really. The incubation tubs ususally have very high humidity so no real chance of drying out unless the keeper lets them dry out, but that could happen even if they’re covered.

#2- I’m not really sure how you’d be able to monitor covered eggs aside from watching for those nasty little knats that seem to show up around bad ones no matter what you do.

#3- I’ve always set up my tubs the same way, with about 3"-4" of moist substrate (peat moss and perlite) in a 6.5-12 qt tub, and this is the first clutch I’ve had to dig out.



07/12/08  07:55am

 #1792203


Greatballzofire
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   Message To: Lampro   In reference to Message Id: 1792175


 Genetics Lesson lol

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#3- I’ve always set up my tubs the same way, with about 3"-4" of moist substrate (peat moss and perlite) in a 6.5-12 qt tub, and this is the first clutch I’ve had to dig out.


My HovaBator arrived a couple days ago, and I have got it set up and where I want the temps, plus our horrible heat wave is over, so today I will transfer my lizard eggs and when I do, put them in a visible position. I had copied the mama before reading how everyone does the eggs viewable.
My homemade styrofoam box has been working out good, and when it gets hot during the day I have been putting a cold pack in with the egg container for a little while. Basically the HovaBator is the same concept as my homemade box, but of course improved, with the little window to see the eggs without opening it.
07/12/08  09:12am


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