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 #1945142


Paleofish
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 New Gargoyle!

Hey i am new to the garg forum, But i just got this little guy about 3 days and He is calming down in his viv.

I hope you guys like the pics.





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02/02/09  12:56pm

 #1945500


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  Message To: Paleofish   In reference to Message Id: 1945142


 New Gargoyle!

Grats on the new guy. Don’t expect too many responses on the gargoyle forums, very very slow. What are you using for substrate? That is a huge cage, looks nice, but you better keep an eye on the little guy to make sure it’s finding it’s food and eating good. Good luck.



02/02/09  07:31pm

 #1946198


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  Message To: Smith710   In reference to Message Id: 1945500


 New Gargoyle!

Don’t worry i am making sure he is eating double time I just fed him some fruit puree from a spoon and he was done after 20 seconds, So then i put it on a branch so he can eat it later. But yesterday i put some crickets in the viv and I seen him eat two good size ones, So he ain’t going to starve lol. And the substrate is part leaf litter, Part T-rex jungle bed and Part some wood chips i got at my LPS, I don’t remember what the wood was, But it is safe for herps.

How many gargs do you have?



02/03/09  07:51pm

 #1946372


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  Message To: Paleofish   In reference to Message Id: 1946198


 New Gargoyle!

I have 6 gargs at the moment. I would try and get those wood chips out of there, I have heard soo many stories about geckos getting impacted from wood chips and dying, it’s just not good. The jungle bed should be fine, maybe mixing it with eco earth instead of the wood chips. I would also recommend feeding the Crested Gecko Diet as well, it has everything they need in it, whereas what you are supplimenting the fruit puree might be missing something. A fruit puree is definitely better than feeding baby food, but I’d still go with the Crested Gecko Diet, they all love it and it’s very nutritional for them, although occassional crickets is still a good idea for Gargs. Just, in the long run, your gecko will do alot better on the diet.



02/03/09  11:50pm

 #1946400


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  Message To: Smith710   In reference to Message Id: 1946372


 New Gargoyle!

The wood chips ain’t a problem cause it was just added to make the soil drain better and There are no chips on the top soil where the gecko could ingest them anyway, But i also only got a small bag of the chips mixed with the soil. But i plan to pickup some CGD tomorrow. I would have got it earlier, But petsmart didn’t have any in stock so i am going to a LPS to get it.

Also the jungle bed is coco husk, But with some added coco chips which help drain the soil more.



02/04/09  01:26am

 #1946409


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  Message To: Paleofish   In reference to Message Id: 1946400


 New Gargoyle!

I still wouldn’t trust the wood chips, all it takes is one good size wood chip. A good thing to use to help the soil drain is a little bit of sand. It’s alot easier to pass if they happen to ingest some.



02/04/09  01:59am

 #1946419


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  Message To: Smith710   In reference to Message Id: 1946409


 New Gargoyle!

Yeah, But i can’t just take everything out, The plants just got comfy, I guess i can get some moss of some kind and Put it on top of the soil to keep him from eating any wood chips. Plus it would make the tank look a little better.

But i am also going to put some red wigglers in the viv to make the soil better for the plants and They would also eat the wood in the soil.



02/04/09  03:05am

 #1946607


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  Message To: Paleofish   In reference to Message Id: 1946419


 New Gargoyle!

Are you sure that it’s ok for them to eat red wigglers? I have no clue, that’s why I’m asking. I can guarantee if they are in there, they will get ahold of at least one of them and eat it if they see it move. The moss would probably be a good idea, get a nice thick moss, so it’s not easy to break off and cover the entire bottom of the cage with it.



02/04/09  01:04pm

 #1946617


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  Message To: Smith710   In reference to Message Id: 1946607


 New Gargoyle!

Well the worms would just be in the soil and I don’t think they come to the the top of the soil unless the soil gets water logged and They can’t breath, But even if he does get one, I don’t think worms produce any toxins and Since these worms i am getting are from petsmart and They are for feeding to salamanders, fish and anything else there shouldn’t be any pesticides or anything like that on them.



02/04/09  01:17pm

 #1947025


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  Message To: Paleofish   In reference to Message Id: 1946617


 New Gargoyle!

I tried some DGD and He took a few licks then paused then a few more licks then a pause again, Then he was done lol.



02/04/09  09:21pm

 #1947162


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  Message To: Paleofish   In reference to Message Id: 1947025


 New Gargoyle!

Lol, just leave the CGD in there, he will eventually eat it. If you keep feeding him the fruit, it’s going to be harder and harder to switch him over to the CGD. Only mix water with the CGD too, don’t mix in any fruit or baby food or anything, you will just be diluting the formula.



02/05/09  02:47am

 #1947419


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  Message To: Smith710   In reference to Message Id: 1947162


 New Gargoyle!

Yeah i left the DGD in the cage for him to eat, But i found his near it last night, But i don’t know if he ate any.



02/05/09  01:35pm

 #1947467


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  Message To: Paleofish   In reference to Message Id: 1947419


 New Gargoyle!

How big is he? If he’s just a little guy, it can be hard to tell if they ate any food. They have such small stomaches, but chances are if he was near it, he probably at some. Ok, I noticed you keep writing DGD, I thought it might have been a typo the first time, but you did it again. Are you meaning to type CGD, like Crested Gecko Diet, or do you have something else?



02/05/09  02:49pm

 #1947516


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  Message To: Smith710   In reference to Message Id: 1947467


 New Gargoyle!

He it small probably 3 or 4 inches from nose to vent. Well i went to get some CGD at this one petstore, But they didn’t have any, So i got some Day Gecko Diet or DGD instead cause the guy said it should work fine and This guy keeps a lot of herps and Takes well care of them, So i trust him.



02/05/09  03:49pm

 #1947556


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  Message To: Paleofish   In reference to Message Id: 1947516


 New Gargoyle!

Ohhh, ok, yeah that should be ok for now. I don’t think it is the exact same formula, so you should probably get the CGD whenever they get it in. But yeah, it should be fine for now. Well, just keep an eye on him and make sure he’s pooping. If he’s pooping, he is eating, that’s all that matters.



02/05/09  04:44pm

 #1947564


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  Message To: Smith710   In reference to Message Id: 1947556


 New Gargoyle!

I haven’t seen any poop, But i hand feed him everyday with ether fruit puree or DGD, So i know he is eating.



02/05/09  04:52pm

 #1947599


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  Message To: Paleofish   In reference to Message Id: 1947564


 New Gargoyle!

Ok... Just feed the Diet from now on, if you keep feeding him the fruit, they could actually get "addicted" to it in a way, and it becomes very hard to get them to eat the diet, which is a whole lot better for them.



02/05/09  05:20pm

 #1947699


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  Message To: Smith710   In reference to Message Id: 1947599


 New Gargoyle!

Okay, Can i use the puree has a treat?



02/05/09  07:06pm

 #1947890


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  Message To: Paleofish   In reference to Message Id: 1947699


 New Gargoyle!

LOL, I tried plan jane DGD and He wouldn’t even take a lick :[ He just turned around and crawled back a bit.



02/05/09  10:31pm

 #1948233


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  Message To: Paleofish   In reference to Message Id: 1947890


 New Gargoyle!

Look where he is at today lol.



02/06/09  02:32pm

 #1948245


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  Message To: Paleofish   In reference to Message Id: 1948233


 New Gargoyle!

You can do puree as a treat, but not very often, maybe a couple times a month. Like I said, I don’t think DGD and CGD are quite the same thing, so I don’t know if the flavors are different as well. They have worked with the flavor of CGD for quite a while, all my geckos love the stuff. try the pure DGD for about a week, maybe add a little more water than the directions say, he won’t starve in a week, if he still won’t touch it, mix a LITTLE fruit in with it until you can get the CGD, but get the CGD as soon as you can so he doesn’t get hooked to the fruit.



02/06/09  03:04pm

 #1948256


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  Message To: Smith710   In reference to Message Id: 1948245


 New Gargoyle!

Here is the ingredients for the day gecko diet.


Ingredients
Banana powder, hempola hempseed meal, honey powder, bee pollen, wheat germ meal, calcium caseinate (source of isolated protein), nutritional yeast, alfalfa meal, fig powder, calcium carbonate, dicalcium phosphate, yeast culture, spirulina algae, rosehips powder, kelp meal, haemotococcus algae, marigold extract, rosemary extract, yucca extract, natural mixed tocopherols (as a preservative), vitamin A acetate, d-activated animal sterol (source of vitamin D3), dried aspergillus oryzae fermentation extract, dried aspergillus niger fermentation extract, dried lactobacillus fermentation product, dried bifidobacterium thermophilum fermentation product, dried bifidobacterium longum fermentation product, dried enterococcus faecium fermentation product and dried bacillus subtilis fermentation product.

Guaranteed Analysis
Crude protein (min.) 15%, crude fat (min.) 2.5%, crude fiber (max.) 9%, moisture (max.) 8%, ash (max.) 6%, calcium (Ca) (min.) 1.8%, calcium (Ca) (max.) 2.3%, phosphorus (P) (min.) 0.7%, vitamin A acetate 17,500 iu/kg, vitamin D3 (min.) 3,500 iu/kilo.

And here is a CGD.

Ingredients
Banana powder, honey powder, hempola hempseed meal, bee pollen, calcium caseinate (source of isolated protein), fig powder, wheat germ meal, alfalfa leaf meal, brewers yeast, calcium carbonate, dicalcium phosphate, yeast culture, spirulina algae, rosehips powder, kelp meal, haemotococcus algae, marigold extract, rosemary extract, yucca extract, natural mixed tocopherols (as a preservative), vitamin A acetate, d-activated animal sterol (source of vitamin D3), dried aspergillus oryzae fermentation extract, dried aspergillus niger fermentation extract, dried lactobacillus fermentation product, dried bifidobacterium thermophilum fermentation product, dried bifidobacterium longum fermentation product, dried enterococcus faecium fermentation product and dried bacillus subtilis fermentation product.

Guaranteed Analysis
Crude protein (min.) 20%, crude fat (min.) 3.5%, crude fiber (max.) 10%, moisture (max.) 8%, ash (max.) 6%, calcium (Ca) (min.) 1.8%, calcium (Ca) (max.) 2.3%, phosphorus (P) (min.) 0.7%, vitamin A acetate 17,500 iu/kg, vitamin D3 (min.) 3,500 iu/kilo.



02/06/09  03:17pm

 #1948307


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  Message To: Paleofish   In reference to Message Id: 1948256


 New Gargoyle!

Ok, yeah, I think the CGD is sweeter. They have somewhat the same ingredients, just more of the sweet ingredients, and it’s definitely a bit different. So I would definitely get the CGD whenever they get it in.



02/06/09  05:15pm

 #1948348


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  Message To: Smith710   In reference to Message Id: 1948307


 New Gargoyle!

Well i probably can’t make it back to that one petstore cause it’s like 30 miles away, But i’ll see if my LPS can get it for me.



02/06/09  06:12pm

 #1948375


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  Message To: Paleofish   In reference to Message Id: 1948348


 New Gargoyle!

I tried again today with the food and He took a good lick out of it.



02/06/09  06:52pm

 #1948534


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  Message To: Paleofish   In reference to Message Id: 1948375


 New Gargoyle!

That’s good, if he’s eating that, he will almost definitely eat the CGD once you get it.



02/07/09  02:44am

 #1948852


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  Message To: Smith710   In reference to Message Id: 1948534


 New Gargoyle!

AHH my LPS said they couldn’t get it And they really didn’t know what i was talking about anyway.



02/07/09  06:32pm

 #1948899


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  Message To: Paleofish   In reference to Message Id: 1948852


 New Gargoyle!

Just a update.

He ate some more DGD for about 5 seconds today.



02/07/09  08:13pm

 #1948976


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  Message To: Paleofish   In reference to Message Id: 1948899


 New Gargoyle!

You can actually order it online. It’s nice to get it in bulk anyways, you save a TON of money... Go to pangeareptile .com and check it out.



02/08/09  01:16am

 #1949655


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  Message To: Smith710   In reference to Message Id: 1948976


 New Gargoyle!

Hey he is shedding right now!!



02/08/09  11:57pm
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