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 #1819689


W_childress
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 Is this a garter?


When its mad is shakes its tail.



08/04/08  06:37pm

 #1819701


Lukemax1
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  Message To: W_childress   In reference to Message Id: 1819689


 Is this a garter?

yah... i don’t think so...

it looks like a rat snake maybe?

not sure=]

-maddy



08/04/08  06:47pm

 #1819922


Ichigo
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  Message To: Lukemax1   In reference to Message Id: 1819701


 Is this a garter?

its a corn snake,or if im wrong then a rat snake



08/04/08  10:07pm

 #1820016


Lukemax1
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  Message To: Lukemax1   In reference to Message Id: 1819701


 Is this a garter?

yah, i looked it up, i’m pretty sure it’s a baby black rat snake=]

-maddy



08/04/08  11:15pm

 #1820062


W_childress
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  Message To: Lukemax1   In reference to Message Id: 1820016


 Is this a garter?

Thanks. Im going to let it go in the wood. Its a mean little thing.



08/04/08  11:44pm

 #1820849


Gottee guy
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  Message To: W_childress   In reference to Message Id: 1820062


 Is this a garter?

yes, it is a baby black rat. garter snakes don’t rattle their tails when threatened but ratsnakes do.



08/05/08  06:25pm

 #1822128


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  Message To: W_childress   In reference to Message Id: 1819689


 Is this a garter?

It looks like a corn snake to me just by the pattern and body shape



08/06/08  07:49pm

 #1823102


Gottee guy
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  Message To: Shawn78   In reference to Message Id: 1822128


 Is this a garter?

no im 100 pecent sure its a baby black racer.



08/07/08  04:51pm

 #1824000


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  Message To: Gottee guy   In reference to Message Id: 1823102


 Is this a garter?

Quote:

its a corn snake,or if im wrong then a rat snake



corn snakes are rat snakes

Quote:

garter snakes don’t rattle their tails when threatened but ratsnakes do.



there are many species of snakes that rattle their tales when upset.

depending on where you live, the pictures arent quite clear enough but i would agree with baby black rat, racer or it looks like it could be a small eastern milk. If you have any more brighter pictures it would help.



08/08/08  12:51pm

 #1824098


Gottee guy
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  Message To: Ribbonsnakeyy   In reference to Message Id: 1824000


 Is this a garter?

i never said anything about any other species other than garters and ratsnakes. i just stated that garters don’t rattle their tail when threatened,but ratsnakes do.
do black racers rattle their tail?



08/08/08  02:08pm

 #1824186


Reptilefreak23
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  Message To: Gottee guy   In reference to Message Id: 1824098


 Is this a garter?

it is a little black racer. but if you could supply any belly shots, that would be great.
But just to clear things up... a corn snake IS A TYPE of ratsnake... but the closest morph of corn to that would be a black albino (anery A) and they dont look like that
well, nice find I would love to have that snake.
Good Luck
ps, I agree with ribbonsnakyyy...there are so many snakes with that pattern when they are young it can be hard to tell what kind it is. And yes there are some melanistic eastern milks out there but I dont beleive this snake has the head pattern or shape of one



08/08/08  03:55pm

 #1824288


Gottee guy
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  Message To: Reptilefreak23   In reference to Message Id: 1824186


 Is this a garter?

yeah, that kinda mixed me up.
i was thinking, a baby cornsnake,black racer, black rat,milk snake,fox snake?



08/08/08  05:23pm

 #1824447


W_childress
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  Message To: Gottee guy   In reference to Message Id: 1824288


 Is this a garter?

I dont have any more pics cause i let it go. I would have maybe kept it but if you just looked at it it would try to strike at you and was always frightned but i dont blame it.



08/08/08  08:19pm

 #1825052


Reptilefreak23
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  Message To: W_childress   In reference to Message Id: 1824447


 Is this a garter?

yes racers and whipsnakes have quite the personalities! lol
But my freind and I caught a 5ft central texas whipsnake who was mean beyond comprehnsion.
But tamed in 2DAYS and would slither around in the car clambing all the seats and hand grips on the roof while we drove...it was an awesome experiance.

I honor you for releasing it though, that is probably the best choice you could have made.

psi forgot to say this on my last post but one way you can tell thaat it is not a rat or milksnake is by the length of its tail.
racers have very long whiplike tails and rats and kings dont..
Good Luck



08/09/08  02:27pm

 #1827647


Gottee guy
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  Message To: Reptilefreak23   In reference to Message Id: 1825052


 Is this a garter?

ah i meant black racer not black rat sorry. get a little mixed up sometimes.



08/11/08  09:51pm

 #1833387


C4M3R0N
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  Message To: Gottee guy   In reference to Message Id: 1823102


 Is this a garter?

Quote:

no im 100 pecent sure its a baby black racer.



black rat, racers are born black/brown.

Rats are born with a pattern.



08/16/08  10:37pm

 #1834448


Reptilefreak23
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  Message To: C4M3R0N   In reference to Message Id: 1833387


 Is this a garter?

not true. you should do a little more research about black racers.
They are BORN with pattern but as they get older they grow into more of a solid color...like a black rat.
And also look at the tail... it speaks for itself



08/17/08  11:00pm

 #1835091


Amphibiandude
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  Message To: Reptilefreak23   In reference to Message Id: 1834448


 Is this a garter?

i dont mean to hijack"conor" but that was a mean snake it bit my chin should we tell them the story of that amazing day in the canyon?????



08/18/08  03:03pm

 #1836182


Reptilefreak23
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  Message To: Amphibiandude   In reference to Message Id: 1835091


 Is this a garter?

no



08/19/08  02:57pm

 #1836321


Amphibiandude
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  Message To: Reptilefreak23   In reference to Message Id: 1836182


 Is this a garter?

why not



08/19/08  05:21pm

 #1841656


Squeaky
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  Message To: Amphibiandude   In reference to Message Id: 1836321


 Is this a garter?

it kinda looks like a pine snake.... maybe im wrong but just putting my input in..



08/24/08  11:19pm

 #1841969


Amphibiandude
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  Message To: Squeaky   In reference to Message Id: 1841656


 Is this a garter?

no its not



08/25/08  12:19pm


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