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 #2271435


WhenAllFails
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 Interesting fence lizard find.

hello to everyone on this section of repticzone!
today i bring you guys something that interested me greatly to see.
(hopefully you guys will have some interest in it as well)
but while herping on some of my family’s property (and i’m not talking a tiny back yard, this is 300+ acres of thick hilly woods near Branson MO) i found what i can best describe as a fence lizard "morph" of sorts.
have a look for yourself:





now if you look close enough you will see that the fencie on the left is the normal shade of color, while the one on the right is a rusty color. (i didn’t notice the difference until i took them back to my aunts house to record them to keep tabs on the fence lizard population and sat them side by side.)
when i saw the difference i was a bit amazed, it actually reminded me of a sandfire morph on a bearded dragon. now, i am a bit against taking these little buggers out of the wild. but i couldn’t help myself when i noticed the odd coloring of the one. but i also think that this little guy might be gravid. take a look:



which influenced me even more in keeping it, mostly because i want to see what the babies look like.
now, i have kept fence lizards before when i was studying their behavior (i was done in under a month and they were returned to where i found them)
so i’m good one housing/lighting/feeding
BUT!
i have never tried hatching this species of egg before, i have the laybox and all of that is taken care of.
i was just curious on what temps/humidity i need to make sure that they hatch alright.



06/27/12  11:01pm

 #2271633


ThesaurusRex
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  Message To: WhenAllFails   In reference to Message Id: 2271435


 Interesting fence lizard find.

Wonderful find, and welcome to the forum!

Have you tried herping in that same area to see if there are other lizards with that color morph?



06/29/12  07:14pm

 #2271644


Makusu the Ninja
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  Message To: ThesaurusRex   In reference to Message Id: 2271633


 Interesting fence lizard find.


How are morphs caused, and what are they? Because I believe my lizard may be one of them



06/29/12  07:29pm

 #2271649


ThesaurusRex
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  Message To: Makusu the Ninja   In reference to Message Id: 2271644


 Interesting fence lizard find.

Morphs are entirely genetic things caused by random mutations and the simple rules of natural selection. In the pet trade, they are deliberately bred into a lizard. In the wild, the genetics of a lizard will mutate and create something a little different than normal. If it doesn’t hinder the lizard’s activity and/or survival, it will stick throughout the generations.



06/29/12  08:11pm

 #2271656


Makusu the Ninja
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  Message To: ThesaurusRex   In reference to Message Id: 2271649


 Interesting fence lizard find.

Hm because I think mine may be a morph because she has some very unique coloring on her sides and sromach. She has an orange side, (like really orange) with a flourescent green stomach when the light shines on it the right way. I named her Blaze because of these markings. Wish I could get pics up, but I’m working on it.



06/29/12  09:30pm

 #2271663


Jinete
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  Message To: Makusu the Ninja   In reference to Message Id: 2271656


 Interesting fence lizard find.

Can’t wait to see the pics. Very cool indeed.



06/29/12  10:08pm

 #2271676


WhenAllFails
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  Message To: Jinete   In reference to Message Id: 2271663


 Interesting fence lizard find.

wow, didn’t expect so many post all at once.
anyways no, i have never seen another fence lizard with this type of coloring.
i have seen others with strikingly beautiful belly markings compared to others.
but never a color variation to this extent.
but what really got me was i had always seen a fence lizard with either a tiny bit of rusty coloring on the base of the tail or none at all, seeing one with a rusty coloring from head to toe was pretty amazing.



06/30/12  12:29am

 #2273124


Bug boy 97
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  Message To: WhenAllFails   In reference to Message Id: 2271435


 Interesting fence lizard find.

No it cant be not even close Sorrry but its a BOY and it doesnt lay eggs



07/13/12  08:48am

 #2273132


Spring Bloom
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  Message To: WhenAllFails   In reference to Message Id: 2271435


 Interesting fence lizard find.

My Fence lizard is also rusty in color; particularly right after she sheds and her colors are more vibrant. I did not realize this was rare. I did notice that others in the back yard are greyer then she is, but I assumed that they were just dusty from the dirt in the back yard.



07/13/12  09:16am

 #2273139


WhenAllFails
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  Message To: Bug boy 97   In reference to Message Id: 2273124


 Interesting fence lizard find.

@Bug boy 97
you honestly made me laugh until my sides hurt.
if it’s a boy then he laid 9 eggs.
and there was no other reptiles in that enclosure.
i have been working with eastern fence lizards for over 2 years.
i might still be new to this but i don’t make mistakes about something as simple as gender.
if you still want to argue about it then fine.
but let the facts be the facts.
1) it laid 9 eggs.
2) i’m pretty sure males can’t lay eggs.



07/13/12  10:14am

 #2273155


WhenAllFails
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  Message To: Spring Bloom   In reference to Message Id: 2273132


 Interesting fence lizard find.

@spring bloom
from the number i have recorded of individual fence lizards (right now i have gotten 207 recorded, many more un-recorded ones running around the area i am going through)
this one is the only one with this coloring i have found.
it would probably be safe to say it’s at least a 1 in 200 chance of a fence lizard having that morph.
probably greater.
so that’s is a lucky find you have there.
and yes, if you can’t believe the fact i have caught 207 fence lizards then fine.
but realize i have been doing this for a couple years.
it’s not like i’m trying to say i caught all of these at once.



07/13/12  01:23pm

 #2273189


Spring Bloom
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  Message To: WhenAllFails   In reference to Message Id: 2273155


 Interesting fence lizard find.

Wow, and I didn’t even catch her; she caught me. She jumped into my weeding bucket one day. I wasn’t going to keep her but the husband fell in love and wouldn’t let me put her back. He has a thing for redheads, so her reddish tones just melted his heart.



07/13/12  06:18pm

 #2273395


WhenAllFails
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  Message To: Spring Bloom   In reference to Message Id: 2273189


 Interesting fence lizard find.

yes, it is a pretty rare find.
i’m just wondering.
what kind of fence lizard is it?
mine is a eastern fence lizard ( Scelporus undulatus )
the one you have looks like a western fence lizard. ( Scelporus occidentalis )
it’s a bit hard to tell from the picture.



07/15/12  10:26am

 #2273420


Spring Bloom
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  Message To: WhenAllFails   In reference to Message Id: 2273395


 Interesting fence lizard find.

As far as I know it is a western fence lizard.



07/15/12  02:42pm

 #2273435


Kelso reptiles
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  Message To: Spring Bloom   In reference to Message Id: 2273420


 Interesting fence lizard find.

well he lives in missuri so it has to be an eastern fence lizard



07/15/12  04:20pm

 #2273445


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  Message To: Kelso reptiles   In reference to Message Id: 2273435


 Interesting fence lizard find.

Check for yellow on the thighs!



07/15/12  05:56pm

 #2273459


WhenAllFails
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  Message To: Kelso reptiles   In reference to Message Id: 2273435


 Interesting fence lizard find.

wait, what?
i know what mine is.
but i was asking her what she had.
since from that angle it seemed to be either a fat eastern or a good sized western.
i can really only tell from looking down on the patterns on the back.



07/15/12  06:38pm

 #2273495


Spring Bloom
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  Message To: ThesaurusRex   In reference to Message Id: 2273445


 Interesting fence lizard find.

@ ‘WhenAllFails’, I’m fairly certain that mine is a western fence lizard. @ ‘ThesaurusRex’, I haven’t handled her much so I’m not sure about marking on the thighs. I don’t remember seeing any yellow. I do know she has a pail turquoise sheen on the sides of her belly; very pail, hardly noticeable.



07/16/12  12:12am

 #2273496


Makusu the Ninja
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  Message To: Spring Bloom   In reference to Message Id: 2273495


 Interesting fence lizard find.

Mine has that same feature! Does yours also have vibrant orange on her sides???



07/16/12  12:25am

 #2273499


Spring Bloom
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  Message To: Makusu the Ninja   In reference to Message Id: 2273496


 Interesting fence lizard find.

No, not a vibrant orange. She is more of an allover brown with rusty accents. She is particularly rusty on her tail, her legs and on her neck. Her sides are brown with rusty accents. Her belly is cream colored with hints of turquoise at the sides.



07/16/12  12:36am

 #2273505


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  Message To: Spring Bloom   In reference to Message Id: 2273499


 Interesting fence lizard find.

What kind is the lizard on the left?



07/16/12  01:12am

 #2273550


WhenAllFails
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  Message To: KitKat12   In reference to Message Id: 2273505


 Interesting fence lizard find.

they are both Eastern fence lizards.
i just sat them side by side to show how different the one on the right looked compared to the normal grey coloring. like a visual comparison of sorts.



07/16/12  10:38am

 #2273551


KitKat12
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  Message To: WhenAllFails   In reference to Message Id: 2273550


 Interesting fence lizard find.

ok i was just wonderin because mine looks just like the one on the left.



07/16/12  10:42am


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