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 #2059999


Nick Pai
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 Fresh Caught

Just caught a 8 inch bull snake by the deschutes. tried to feed a 1 week pinky didnt eat. help?



08/19/09  12:07am

 #2060129


Zach01313
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  Message To: Nick Pai   In reference to Message Id: 2059999


 Fresh Caught

leave it alone for at leats a week when you ever acquire a new snake so it can get used to its surroundings, you probably handled it to much and now it is to stressed out to eat......



08/19/09  08:22am

 #2060175


Concolor1
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  Message To: Zach01313   In reference to Message Id: 2060129


 Might Even Be a Hatchling . . .

That hasn’t had its first shed. My corns never eat until they’ve had their first post-natal shed.

The advice about letting it "settle in" for a week or so is sound . . . Pits can be a little cantankerous, but I find them worthwhile . . .

Got a pic so we know it isn’t a garter snake? Sorry to be a bit confrontive, but eight inches for a Pacific gopher sounds just a tad small; the GB hatchling I bought last year was around ten or eleven although pencil thin . . .



08/19/09  09:39am

 #2060385


Occ1123
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  Message To: Concolor1   In reference to Message Id: 2060175


 EVEN BETTER IDEA...

You good let that WILD-caught snake be WILD. I really can’t stand when people remove animals from the wild that are not readily available as captive-bred just to avoid buying one.

I strongly advise you to reconsider, and if you want a Pit so bad, a captive-bred and FEEDING baby normal should run you no more than $30-40.

My 2 cents.


Alex



08/19/09  03:15pm

 #2060386


Occ1123
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  Message To: Occ1123   In reference to Message Id: 2060385


 EVEN BETTER IDEA...

...I meant "could let it go"



08/19/09  03:15pm

 #2060387


Amphibiandude
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  Message To: Occ1123   In reference to Message Id: 2060385


 EVEN BETTER IDEA...

Amen dude,
Don’t take animals from the wild seriously



08/19/09  03:15pm

 #2060562


JackAsp
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  Message To: Amphibiandude   In reference to Message Id: 2060387


 EVEN BETTER IDEA...

Or, if you’re going to, do it earlier. This is August already. If you caught a snake in, say, June, and kept it a few weeks and things didn’t work ouit, you could let it go again and it would pretty much go on with its life. But you don’t really have a few weks to play around. If you let it go in September, when the days are geting shorter and the nights are getting cold, it’s not going to eat anyway, and will have to try to hibernate withiout any calories stored up. Odds are it will be dead before spring kicks in. Yeah, you might be able to settle it in and have it do okay as a pet, but it’s a very unair gamble. if you win, the snake gets to live in a cage. If you lose, the snake gets to die. Your profile says you’re in Oregon. This would be less urgent if you were in Texas or something, where the winter is shorter and the peripheral seasons are warmer.



08/19/09  09:09pm

 #2060591


Concolor1
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  Message To: Amphibiandude   In reference to Message Id: 2060387


 Re: Even Better Idea . . .

Forty-five years ago I was a young Little Leaguer attending an end-of-the-season picnic in a canyon a couple of miles east of here (within Utah’s Wasatch Mountain range). Some of the other kids had caught a snake; I was certain, from my Dr. Zim’s Field Guide that it was a "pine snake"; I realize now it was a probably a really pale and particularly attractive morph of a Great Basin Gopher snake (unless somebody had captured an Eastern Pine, brought it here, and released it); this color phase is only now being made available commercially at premium prices . . .

This story has an unhappy ending; one of the kids informed his mother the snake wasn’t a rattlesnake (which do occur on the canyon ledges), but she, in totally asinine fashion, told the kids they "better kill it to make sure."

The savagery of those kids stoning that snake to death long ago shocked me; my voice had been drowned out, of course, when I insisted the snake was harmless and deserved to live . . .

That memory was still with me when my kids and I stumbled upon a smallish GB gopher in a city park south of here . . . I had no qualms about bringing it home, and it’s nearly half grown today; given that it was less than a hundred yards from a subdivision, I think my choice is imminently defensible, and the snake will fit into my future breeding plans...

Living as I do in one of the more "moralistic" states around, I tend to take a strong stance against extremist thinking in any form; the "black and white" element that sees "all snakes as bad" is also present in the "Don’t ever remove snakes from the wild" crowd; some of us are capable of mature and responsible choices in this area, and it’s at least mildly insulting to to imply that we aren’t making a responsible decision.

I’m familiar with the area where Nick caught the snake (I enjoy flyfishing the Deschutes myself); it’s one of the least populated areas in Oregon (at least around Maupin), and I see no harm in removing a snake from that area so long as such actions are done in moderation . . . Jack Asp does have a good point about it being August if you’re going to release the snake, although if you’re down the river and closer to the Gorge there’s a little more time . . .

Anyway, if I do run across one of those Great Basin morphs, I’m going to "appropriate it" as breeding stock with the likely knowledge it would be the last snake I’m ever likely to remove from the wild . . . Utah has laws against keeping a number of "sensitive species" like milk snakes, mountain and California King snakes, and some others, but gopher snakes don’t fall into that category . . .

What I do hope is those who holler about wild snakes will re-direct their anger at those who wantonly kill any snake they find; those sorts are the real enemies of wildlife...



08/19/09  09:47pm

 #2060622


Greatballzofire
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  Message To: Concolor1   In reference to Message Id: 2060591


 Re: Even Better Idea . . .

I have two snakes that started life out in the wild. The California king was a yearling almost killed by one of my cats before I was able to rescue him. He healed up and I still have him over a year later. I got rid of his parasite load (mites mainly) and he seems to be a happy camper, having become quite tame.

The Pacific gopher snake is another yearling I found this spring when she got trapped under a piece of plywood by a big feral cat, with no escape route, and the cat was not about to give up. When I brought her home and fed her, it was like she had always been tame, taking the fuzzies from my fingers.

So life for these creatures is not always a bad thing in captivity, sometimes it is an upgrade, especially if there are a lot of cats in the area.



08/19/09  10:34pm

 #2060672


JackAsp
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  Message To: Greatballzofire   In reference to Message Id: 2060622


 Re: Even Better Idea . . .

Yeah, it’s really just a seasonal concern. I have a lot more actual issue about going into a pet shop and BUYING a wild snake, therefore encouraging somebody down the line to run around collecting them like theyre aluminum cans to be cashed in, than I do about carefully adjusting something like Pit that, let’s face it, does often settle in just fine. But, equally realistically, there’ll still be snakes out there next spring/summer to collect early enough that there’s still a backup plan, just in case.



08/20/09  01:26am

 #2112810


Imderrickjed
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  Message To: JackAsp   In reference to Message Id: 2060672


 Re: Even Better Idea . . .

I prefer the animals I catch in the wild. They have more life to them. The store bought just seem so unhappy. Anyway Ive had pet raccoons, bats, owls, snakes and so on. All have been happy and in some cases let go at the right time. The last bat was still a little young and didn’t seem to fly well. once he was ready we let him back to the wild. My bull snake and the garters are wild and it wasn’t to avoid spending a few dollars. Oh also have pet frogs, toads and lizards. lizards are from petco because we just don’t have them running around here.



01/11/10  01:45pm

 #2226667


Shrimpkorn
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  Message To: Concolor1   In reference to Message Id: 2060591


 Re: Even Better Idea . . .

THANK YOU for your intelligent and insightful post. Extremely well said...and necessary. I’d like to copy and paste this to just about every herp forum on the Internet. What is it about SO many snake owners and self-righteousness?? We were ALL beginners with snakes at one time, had plenty of questions, and we all had our unique way of discovering our interest in these fascinating and beautiful creatures. Upon reading the responses to many novices, you’d think being a snake owner is some elite society that most are not worthy to join! Good grief...



06/26/11  05:43am

 #2226894


Coolname
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  Message To: Nick Pai   In reference to Message Id: 2059999


 Fresh Caught

i would buy it for 15-20-30-35$



06/27/11  11:25pm

 #2227328


Cphill58
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  Message To: Coolname   In reference to Message Id: 2226894


 Fresh Caught

Come up to SLC Utah in Oct , the first week is the Expo ...last year a reptile rescue was giving away GB gophers to a good home...I have 1 that is a real gem ...beautiful red hue on the last 8" of tail...eats like no tomorrow.
Hey there concolor...I know that area also ...go through there on the way to Vernal and other parts...maybe my geography is off a bit but I have been that way a few times..next month Ritchfield.

My employer, a very ambitious hiker, stumbled across a 3-4 foot (description fits) GB pit....Little Cotton Wood Cyn. he was excited to see it and told me all about it.

You know who is getting soo big ...you would love to see him/her.

Nice post ...really enjoyed reading it.

Cp



07/01/11  05:13pm

 #2227330


Cphill58
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  Message To: Cphill58   In reference to Message Id: 2227328


 Fresh Caught

Hmmm , yep my geography is off....lol...I was thinking Duchesne, UT ...oh well ...i have been through Bend and 3 sisters many many years ago...beautiful back side to Mt hood.



07/01/11  05:18pm

 #2234614


Tupi1
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  Message To: Cphill58   In reference to Message Id: 2227330


 Fresh Caught

All of the snakes everyone here owns came from wildcaught animals.You just have a few generations later the outcome of those animals.And plenty of people on these boards have animals hatched from imported, wildcaught animals harvested from other countries as adults and shipped here, hopefully legally.
Seems rather hypocritical to be dissing someone for taking a baby bullsnake and raising it up.
If it was an older animal or something on the endangered list that would be different.



08/27/11  04:28pm

 #2235793


JackAsp
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  Message To: Tupi1   In reference to Message Id: 2234614


 Fresh Caught

Yeah, I’m a hypocrite because, despite the enormous number of CB snakes already cheaply available these days, I suggested, not ordered, merely suggested that opting for one might be better option nowadays. I am also a hypocrite for differentiating the market reality of today from the market reality of the mid twentieth century, because apparently time travel exists and is in standard use by everybody except me, which is how I somehow offended you two years in the past by simply stating an opinion once, listening to some intelligent counterpoints, shrugging, and being fine with the direction things went.
You, sir, have won entire credit for curing me of my evil captivounististic ways.









09/06/11  01:30am


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