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Phillip1963
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 Boa bathroom problem

boa has not pooped in three weeks, and he has eatten three times... any ideas??



09/17/09  10:18pm

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BMC
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  Message To: Phillip1963   In reference to Message Id: 2073135


 Boa bathroom problem

soak and your snake should go make sure its warm water.though. mine does every time.



09/18/09  01:26am

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Phillip1963
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  Message To: BMC   In reference to Message Id: 2073182


 Boa bathroom problem

thanks, it worked.



09/18/09  12:14pm

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Fairy Frog Mother
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  Message To: Phillip1963   In reference to Message Id: 2073298


 Boa bathroom problem

Make sure now that your tank humidity is betwen 55 and 75% (75 closer to shedding time) and that it has a bowl large enough to soak in to prevent future...well...lack of occurances? And well...now you know the trick if it happens again!



09/18/09  03:12pm

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AGoldReptiles
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  Message To: Fairy Frog Mother   In reference to Message Id: 2073363


 Boa bathroom problem

I have to agree with Fairy frog Mother. Soaking is a band aid to a major concern. If you FIX your husbandry issue ( humidity) you will have no need to soak your snake. While providing a water dish to soak in does allow them to soak themselves. It can cause some issues. Again with proper husbandry they don’t need to soak. Also once they start to gain some size to them it become increasing difficult to provide such a bowl.

Happy Herping
Anthony



09/20/09  11:00am

 #2074273


Fairy Frog Mother
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  Message To: AGoldReptiles   In reference to Message Id: 2074072


 Boa bathroom problem

Ive always been told to give them a big enough bowl to soak. Mine each have plenty of water in which they can soak, though I have never seen them do it. I have seen them take long drinks of water on a warm day or two days after a meal.

Some boas prefer to poop in their water after soaking a while, others are more terrestrial. Even in the wild, some boas like to hang out around ponds, while others prefer trees, and others prefer hiding under plants and bushes.

I hadnt heard that soaking can be bad for them. Prolonged soaking I would agree is a sign of an issue, I would have to agree. Basicly, if your husbandry is right, and your snakes are comfortable in their habitat (many prefer an area they can hide in!) then a healthy snake wont usually do a prolonged soak.



09/20/09  08:26pm

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AGoldReptiles
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  Message To: Fairy Frog Mother   In reference to Message Id: 2074273


 Boa bathroom problem

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Ive always been told to give them a big enough bowl to soak.

I am NOT stating that this is wrong, but that it is NOT a necessity. Can you provide a link to a care sheet from a "reputable" breeder that states they should have a bowl big enough for soaking?

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I hadn’t heard that soaking can be bad for them.

Did I say soaking can be bad for them? I said it CAN cause issues. I should have used "prolonged" in my statement.

Again my point is: A bowl large enough to soak in is NOT a necessity, and it does give them the opportunity to soak to much and it CAN cause issues.

Happy Herping
Anthony



09/21/09  07:59am

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Fairy Frog Mother
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  Message To: AGoldReptiles   In reference to Message Id: 2074421


 Hehe Youre so on with that challange Anthony ;o)

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Can you provide a link to a care sheet from a "reputable" breeder that states they should have a bowl big enough for soaking?



WHY YES. Yes I can. Unless you think Brian Sharp and Peter Kahl are not reputable breeders. Scroll down to the bottom where it describes what kind of water dish to get for a boa.

Link A reputable rescue orginizations caresheet
Link Peter Kahls Caresheet
Link Brian Sharp and Peter Kahls Caresheet

Shall I look up Peter de Vosjoli too? Thats the book I keep at home for reference, and both Peter Kahl and Brian Sharp recommend as well.

Im totally in agreement with you that prolonged (I forget words too or make errors in posts at times so no worries. And my spelling is horrid at times) soaking is in most cases a sign of illness, mites or other ailment ( such as constipation). No where have I read that having a dish large enough for them to soak in can cause issues, in and of itself. Keeping the humidity above 70%- especially in a dirty cage can cause Respiratory infection and fungal issues (scale rot) which is I beleive what you are alluding to.

This post is not intended in any way to sound snarky, but to show that I didnt just pull the info out of my arse. I research. Lots. And Im still learning every day. I volunteer at the Academy of Sciences to have more opportunity for that as well. Polite debate can be good to foster more learning. Thank you for giving me the opportunity to debate and double check facts, and share them with folks.

Happy herping to you too!







09/23/09  04:04pm

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AGoldReptiles
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  Message To: Fairy Frog Mother   In reference to Message Id: 2075443


 Hehe Youre so on with that challenge Anthony ;o)

Thanks, I figured you had those links. That’s why I asked for them.

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Keeping the humidity above 70%- especially in a dirty cage can cause Respiratory infection and fungal issues (scale rot) which is I believe what you are alluding to

Yes these are some of the issues I was referring too.

Quote:

This post is not intended in any way to sound snarky, but to show that I didn’t just pull the info out of my arse. I research. Lots. And I’m still learning every day. I volunteer at the Academy of Sciences to have more opportunity for that as well. Polite debate can be good to foster more learning. Thank you for giving me the opportunity to debate and double check facts, and share them with folks.

No worries as I didn’t take the post as being "snarky" and even if I did I have pretty thick skin haha I already KNOW from my short time here that you know what your talking about. I wasn’t questioning the statement. i was just curious as to who’s care sheets were stating this because the majority don’t. The main point I was trying to make is it is NOT a NECESSITY and that it MAY cause issues. What issues can come of them NOT being able to soak? None if the rest of your husbandry is up to par. See what I’m getting at? I have never provided "pools" for them to soak and have never had an issue.
This old girl ( 1993) is living proof that it is NOT a necessity, as she has never had soaking accomidations.



09/23/09  05:38pm

 #2080177


Samsonsrad
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  Message To: Phillip1963   In reference to Message Id: 2073135


 Boa bathroom problem

boas take a while sometimes, prepare yourself, theres probably a really big one coming heh



10/04/09  11:56am

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Jeff K
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  Message To: Samsonsrad   In reference to Message Id: 2080177


 Boa bathroom problem

I have never heard that soaking is a necessity. I recommend it, but i don’t believe it is vital to a boa’s health.

There should be reputation points on this forum. I would +1 you if i could, GoldReptiles. And i’m glad the OP got everything sorted out

jeff



10/04/09  10:32pm


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