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 #1738213


Sairhead21
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 Reptiglo 10.0 tube

I’ve seen alot of arguements lately regarding this bulb. I myself had this bulb on one of my dragons for roughly a month. During this time he had virtually no appetite, he kept his eyes closed and he was extremely lethargic. His temps were fine and he’d just been to the vet. I started researching his symptoms and it led me to a different BD forum. There had been several other cases like mine and they were all connected to this bulb (yes, I am talking about the tube). Around this time, we started having a large amount of people posting about symptoms their dragons had been displaying like mine did. They all had the Retiglo 10.0 tube bulb. We even had a thread regarding a beardie who eventually died from his symptoms. The coating on this bulb is letting too much UVC through which is harmful to beardie’s. When I pinpointed the bulb as the problem, I turned it off for a few days and replaced it with the Reptisun 10.0 tube. He was back to his normal self within a week. In my opinion, the only safe UVB’s are MVB’s, Retiglo 8.0, and the Reptisun 10.0 tubes. I hope this helped, Sarah.
05/17/08  12:53pm

 #1738275


Bama Beardies
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   Message To: Sairhead21   In reference to Message Id: 1738213


 Reptiglo 10.0 tube

Thats the same story zoo med gave me about their compact UVB’s. Coating material inside the bulb defective right? Good looking out on this Sarah. Interesting that separate manufacturers are having the exact same issue.... -Jay
05/17/08  02:05pm

 #1738278


DragonMyr
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   Message To: Sairhead21   In reference to Message Id: 1738213


 Reptiglo 10.0 tube

Just to elaborate on what you said, Reptiglo are the compact tube fluorescent bulbs seen in this image: Reptiglo bulbs. Personally, I think those things are extremely bad, poorly made, and have zero quality control on them. Nobody should be using them and you’re right to be concerned about them. They have been scientifically linked to reptile photoconjunctivitis by veterinarians. Why these things are still for sale and not recalled is beyond me. They need to be yanked off the shelves of pet stores immediately.

Now I’m not sure which Reptisun you’re using since there’s 2 variants. One is the screw-in tube bulb seen here: Reptisun screw-in and the other kind is the regular fluorescent fixture long tube bulb seen here: Reptisun long tube. Personally, I don’t trust any of the screw-in bulbs, especially those compact ones. You may have more luck with the larger screw-in tubes, but I still think they have issues from time to time depending on setup.

I’m a huge fan of mercury vapor bulbs. However, beginners are normally best off picking up one of the long tube fluorescent bulbs (8 or 10 for a beardie) and pairing it up with a heat light (normally an incandescent light from the home improvement stores). People with more experience or with UV meters should be alright using the above or the mercury vapor bulbs since the meter can identify issues and the owner is presumably more in-tune with the body language of their reptile.
05/17/08  02:09pm

 #1738378


Sairhead21
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   Message To: DragonMyr   In reference to Message Id: 1738278


 Reptiglo 10.0 tube

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Coating material inside the bulb defective right?


Right. I really don’t understand why this company chose to use a different coating on this strength, yet, the other strength’s are fine (8.0 down to 2.0). I personally use a Reptiglo 8.0 long tube on one of my beardie’s and have never had any problems. I don’t know how much research has been done on this particular bulb itself compared to it’s compact counterpart. What I know is strictly what I’ve heard from others (particularly Tracy, Drach613) and my own personal experience.

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Reptiglo are the compact tube fluorescent bulbs seen in this image


I’m actually referring to the long tubes, not the compact one’s. I agree, coils/compacts are very poorly made. I don’t recommend anyone use them. I brought this up because I’ve seen alot of others who have had the same problem I did with the long tube Reptiglo 10.0’s. There has been a little controversy over this bulb. Some people have used it with no problems and many others haven’t been so lucky (including myself). I’m using the long tube Reptisun 10.0 (no compact/coils for this girl) and the long tube Reptiglo 8.0 on my dragons.
05/17/08  04:38pm

 #1738442


ReptoDude
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   Message To: Sairhead21   In reference to Message Id: 1738378


 Reptiglo 10.0 tube

Has anyone actually contacted the manufacturer to make sure that it has different coatings than the others? Or are these opinions?
05/17/08  05:49pm

 #1738443


Newfgal
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 Reptiglo 10.0 tube

Well if it wasn’t for Drach613, my oldest male would be dead right now. He didn’t have alot of life left when i got rid of that stupid light! Here in Canada, alot of people haven’t even heard of such a thing with those lights but in my town, everyone is aware now, {thanks to me} and Tracie to of course for explaning what was happening. My poor spike was so skinny i was scared to pick him up! I had to syringe feed him baby food for weeks and lots of warm baths. He finally came around, and now i’m happy to say is a little porker again, lol. From now on it’s MVB,s for my babies and nothing else. God bless you Tracie!!! And thanks to the pro’s on this site for some amazing info!
05/17/08  05:50pm

 #1738590


4bodson
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   Message To: Sairhead21   In reference to Message Id: 1738378


 Reptiglo 10.0 tube

Okay, so I guess that the Reptisun 10 and the Reptiglo 8, are the best lights to use......right.
05/17/08  08:34pm

 #1738705


Bama Beardies
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   Message To: ReptoDude   In reference to Message Id: 1738442


 Reptiglo 10.0 tube

I talked to the rep for Zoo Med not hagan. -Jay
05/17/08  10:41pm

 #1739197


Drache613
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   Message To: Bama Beardies   In reference to Message Id: 1738705


 Reptiglo 10.0 tube

Hello!

Thank you Sarah for posting that information. I will elaborate on it if that is ok.
As for anyone testing the bulbs, yes! Frances Baines is currently working with Exo terra & they have sent her some bulbs to be tested. I am not sure when the bulbs will be corrected, but, at least they are cooperating with the efforts to fix the problem. I would not purchase any upgrade from Exo terra until the testing is completed.
The Reptiglo 10 as well as the Zilla desert series T50 lights for starters were the worst ones, other than the compact Reptisun 10. The photo therapy phosphor which is the specific coating that was being used, was the incorrect mixture that was put onto the glass. It was lacking the protection that the normal coating usually put on. This was allowing the UVC emissions to penetrate through the glass. In some instances, they even used the incorrect glass which further complicated the problems. Also, the UVA emissions were lower in the Reptiglo 10 than the Reptiglo 8 as well, which is very hard on the eyes.
On top of everything else, since the photo therapy phosphor was being used, that was allowing a low wavelength of UVB to be emitted, which was borderline to UVC. That is a very poor UVB quality & dangerous not only on the eyes but for the overall general health & well being of your reptile. The wavelength that is required for D3 synthesis is 285 nanometers to 320 nanometers & those lights were producing some wavelengths under 285.
So, long term effects seen, other than health issues such as stunted growth, & eye problems would be metabolic bone disease because that directly affects the calcium absorption & the ability of D3 to be produced as well.

I hope that helps. Frances is working very hard to get Exo terra to comply. I do not think that they have gone as far as taking them off of the shelves, though I wish that they would.


Tracie






05/18/08  03:04pm

 #1739484


Sairhead21
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   Message To: Drache613   In reference to Message Id: 1739197


 Reptiglo 10.0 tube

Thank you Tracie! I hope the company resolves this issue soon. Lets keep this bumped people.
Sarah
05/18/08  07:44pm

 #1739510


Sairhead21
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   Message To: Sairhead21   In reference to Message Id: 1739484


 Reptiglo 10.0 tube

bump
05/18/08  08:08pm

 #1739610


Drache613
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   Message To: Sairhead21   In reference to Message Id: 1739510


 Reptiglo 10.0 tube

Hello Sarah,

You know, I will write Frances & check on the status of the reports, etc & where exactly they are in the process. I will report back to you as soon as I find out any information, ok?


Tracie
05/18/08  09:15pm

 #1739629


Sairhead21
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   Message To: Drache613   In reference to Message Id: 1739610


 Reptiglo 10.0 tube

That would be great. I’d love to stop having to warn people aout this bulb. Thanks Tracie, Sarah
05/18/08  09:28pm

 #1739867


Newfgal
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   Message To: Sairhead21   In reference to Message Id: 1739629


 Reptiglo 10.0 tube

ok so the site i order my mvb’s from has alot of those harmfull lights i was looking through them last night. I feel like contacting them to let them know, but they will probable think i’m crazy or something and just ignore me anyway. Should i do anything? b/c i want to. Thanks.
05/19/08  07:23am

 #1740012


Newfgal
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   Message To: Newfgal   In reference to Message Id: 1739867


 Reptiglo 10.0 tube

just bumping it to the top, lol.
05/19/08  12:53pm

 #1740306


Sairhead21
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   Message To: Newfgal   In reference to Message Id: 1740012


 Reptiglo 10.0 tube

You can give it a shot. It won’t hurt to try. Don’t get upset if they don’t pull those lights though. With some people, it’s all about the bottom line.
05/19/08  05:39pm

 #1740469


Newfgal
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   Message To: Sairhead21   In reference to Message Id: 1740306


 Reptiglo 10.0 tube

ok i will give it a shot i have to try anyway. Hopefully they will take me serious and do something about it and if not, at least i tried. The manager there i know a little from ordering supplies alot,lol, and he seems like a very nice person so maybe he will listen. Thanks.
05/19/08  07:15pm

 #1740708


Sairhead21
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   Message To: Newfgal   In reference to Message Id: 1740469


 Reptiglo 10.0 tube

You’re welcome. Bump
05/19/08  09:40pm

 #1740834


Drache613
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   Message To: Newfgal   In reference to Message Id: 1740469


 Reptiglo 10.0 tube

Hello,

I talked with Frances today. She is still working on the reports to Exo terra. Unfortunately until the reports are finished & submitted to the Hagen company then they can continue to sell them in the current market. It is at the sole discretion of each store whether or not to pull them from the shelves or not.

I will keep everyone posted. It is always worth a shot talking with people to see if they will take them off of their site so they don’t continue selling a bad light.

Tracie
05/19/08  11:05pm

 #1740873


Xurbanclimberx
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   Message To: Drache613   In reference to Message Id: 1740834


 Reptiglo 10.0 tube

My petstores sell them at a reduced price.
05/19/08  11:55pm

 #1741003


Newfgal
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   Message To: Xurbanclimberx   In reference to Message Id: 1740873


 Reptiglo 10.0 tube

Well thats nice of them don’t ya think? Man some people! Oh we reduced the price so it won’t hurt your pet now. Thats crazy.
05/20/08  06:41am

 #1741072


Xurbanclimberx
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   Message To: Newfgal   In reference to Message Id: 1741003


 Reptiglo 10.0 tube

Completely agree. They only care about getting rid of their stock before they get recalled.
05/20/08  08:15am

 #1741701


Sairhead21
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   Message To: Xurbanclimberx   In reference to Message Id: 1741072


 Reptiglo 10.0 tube

Thanks Tracie. Bump! Lets keep this up for the noobs.
05/20/08  08:18pm

 #1741745


Newfgal
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   Message To: Sairhead21   In reference to Message Id: 1741701


 Reptiglo 10.0 tube

So i talked to the manager of my supply store i menchined about the lights that are still on the shelves and in so many words he said what i told him was old news and it’s being taken care of so i politely asked him why then am i or anyone else able to buy one b/c they are still on the shelves and i couldn’t get a decent answer. Not sure if anything will be done or not and unfortunately, some people just don’t care as long as they make a buck. I feel sorry for some poor reptiles b/c the owner is not aware of what is going on, and i was one of them but fortunately i found out and was able to save my boy! I pray this mess is resolved soon.
05/20/08  08:45pm

 #1741782


Sairhead21
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   Message To: Newfgal   In reference to Message Id: 1741745


 Reptiglo 10.0 tube

It was worth a shot. Good try.
05/20/08  09:08pm

 #1741854


Newfgal
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   Message To: Sairhead21   In reference to Message Id: 1741782


 Reptiglo 10.0 tube

yea i guess, thanks.
05/20/08  10:16pm

 #1741972


Fire4life
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   Message To: Newfgal   In reference to Message Id: 1741854


 Reptiglo 10.0 tube

i knew about the eye stuff and mbd, but i wasn’t aware of the stunted growth and that stuff... that may explain what’s going on with atilla...
05/21/08  12:35am

 #1741975


Drache613
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   Message To: Fire4life   In reference to Message Id: 1741972


 Reptiglo 10.0 tube

Hello All,

Yes, it is too bad that they are still on the shelves, & are not revoked yet! Keep trying, & any store you go into try to question people there. Sometimes, it does work. There are a few owners that do care, though not many, but you will run into a few here & there.
As soon as Frances if finished with her reports, she will let me know & I can give you an update.

Tracie
05/21/08  12:37am

 #1742087


Newfgal
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   Message To: Drache613   In reference to Message Id: 1741975


 Reptiglo 10.0 tube

Yea i will keep trying Tracie. The first thing i did when i found out about these lights was go to our local pet store. The owner is a good friend of mine and she is taking this seriously and she let me post some info about it so everyone that came in the store could read it. She has sold ALOT of dragons so these people need to be aware of whats going on! I would even make special trips to the store just to check on the baby dragons and sometimes i would even bring then a little silk or two b/c they only get crickets. I swear those babies got to know me and would look for a treat when they saw me, lol. I wanted to take them all home but my hubby said 3 is enough, lol. Beardies are my life so anything i can do for them i will!
05/21/08  07:41am

 #1742211


Fire4life
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   Message To: Newfgal   In reference to Message Id: 1742087


 Reptiglo 10.0 tube

that’s cool about your pet store. not many pet stores will let you post any info like that, or even listen if you try to say anything to them. i know what you mean about hubby saying no more, i just got told the same thing. he says i cant get any more, cause we are out of room... must be time to buy that house... lol
05/21/08  11:14am
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