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 #2303314


Bnation
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 Dragon is lifeless this morning

I got my bearded dragon new bedding, crickets, and a new heat light yesterday. The bedding is the crushed walnut that is recommended for dessert dwelling lizards. The crickets are from the dame pet shop we have always used, and the day before she had green left lettus. The light is a fluker’s 100 watt day time blue bulb. Her tank is a 50 long. She also has a uv bulb. She was active and happy yesterday then her color changed very light last night. I turned the day light off after only about 8 hours. This morning she was in her water bowl almost lifeless. She will not move. Only move her head a little and open her mouth. I got her in a warm water/ pedilite bath and syringe feed her about 1cc of the solution. She is wrapped up now in my sons arms. I am worried sick!



02/02/14  10:04am

 #2303318


KrazyKelli
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  Message To: Bnation   In reference to Message Id: 2303314


 Dragon is lifeless this morning

Crushed walnut (ie, lizard litter) can damage the intestinal tract of a lizard if ingested and lead to bloody stool. But unless the lizard went to town eating it, the problem would have presented itself in much longer than a day. What was the older bedding? What is the temperature of the tank and its ground, what kind of thermometer do you use to measure the temps?

It could be anything. Sitting next to the water bowl and open-mouth breathing is typically a sign of over-heating. If you used bleach to clean the tank between substrate swaps, that could also be it. The vet should be your option now.



On a lesser note, the best types of loose substrates are the kind you get from the home depo-style stores such as non-fertilized potting soil and sifted playsand (mixing if necessary for desired soil consistency). Use to be a thing to put bearded dragons on solid substrate due to the calcisand drama of years back, but I don’t know how or if that’s changed over time.



02/02/14  12:20pm

 #2303321


KrazyKelli
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  Message To: KrazyKelli   In reference to Message Id: 2303318


 Dragon is lifeless this morning

Somehow left this off my last paragraph, but the best thing to do right now if you fear the beardy has eaten the crushed walnut - or may have eaten the last substrate you had them on - would be to remove it all and put them on solid substrate, such as papertowel or repticarpet if you have any laying around. Then go through with the steps for a impaction, which you’ve been doing. Warmsoaks and three some drops of vegetable oil to lube the system.



02/02/14  12:36pm

 #2303324


Bnation
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  Message To: KrazyKelli   In reference to Message Id: 2303321


 Dragon is lifeless this morning

Thank you for the response. We just got back from a herp specialist. He was puzzled. he showed signs a mild dehydration. He said she muscle mass looked great and there was no signs of calcium deficiency. He said the substrate was ok and she didn’t have any mites and he didn’t feel a blockage. We gave her solution and she still is not responsive. Since I got back I have been rubbing her tummy and still nothing except she is holding her head up some. Below is the bedding I used. Before that I used black and write newspaper until last week when it was suggested to use the other bedding. The temp at basking side is 108 but the humidity only reads 15%

http://www.zilla-rules.com/products/bedding/ground-english-walnut-shells.htm
http://www.zilla-rules.com/products/specialty-equipment/humidity-and-temperature-gauge.htm



02/02/14  01:55pm

 #2303325


Bnation
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  Message To: Bnation   In reference to Message Id: 2303324


 Dragon is lifeless this morning

The vet also asked what her age was which is not known. Basally said to keep doing what we are going but add gator aid warm very few hours .



02/02/14  01:58pm

 #2303332


KrazyKelli
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  Message To: Bnation   In reference to Message Id: 2303325


 Dragon is lifeless this morning

Alright, you have a dial thermometer. The type of thermometer you really want is a digital one with a probe. I suggest running out and getting one, whether at the pet store or home depot-style store. The problem with the dial ones is that they can only read the temperature of the air, and can be inaccurate by roughly 10 or more degrees. The thermometers with probes measure the heat of the ground directly, which is where the beardie spends all of its time. The temp on the ground can be much hotter than the temp of the air.

Link

Link These two are ones you’ll likely see at a pet shop.

But there are many kinds. Link



I can’t make you change off of the ground walnut shell. However from my years on this forum I have seen leopard geckos hit hard by septic bowel and impaction resulting from the stuff, and bearded dragons are just as prone to the problem. It seems soft and pleasant on first glance, however has sharper edges. Many people that do use it ’successfully’ feed their bearded dragon outside of the tank in another box, and even then there’s still a risk because lizards poke their tongue to ’sense’ their surroundings.




Hope your little gal gets better.



02/02/14  04:23pm

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  Message To: KrazyKelli   In reference to Message Id: 2303332


 Dragon is lifeless this morning

Hi,

What type of UV bulb do you have? Is that new as well?

Take her off the bedding as soon as possible. I have seen these guys and how awful a death they have because of that bedding. She won’t need to eat a lot for it to tear up her insides. If you have the need to use a loose substrate, the best is children’s playsand.

What are your temps? She needs a 105F to 110F on the basking ares. She needs the heat to digest her food.

Where do you live and how old is she. If she is healthy, perhaps she is trying to brumate.

Edel



02/03/14  10:23pm

 #2303369


Wyland2222
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  Message To: Dragon Lover   In reference to Message Id: 2303364


 Dragon is lifeless this morning

You for sure need to listen to Dragon Lover, she has been doing this for years! Did the vet test her for internal parasites? And I totally agree about her bedding, get that out of there. Why are you rubbing her belly, did the vet say she felt like she was constipated? Also as Dragon Lover said she may be trying to brumate at this time of year. A nice warm soak might liven her up but if she wants to brumate then it won’t help. Both mine are brumating, 1 has been asleep for a month, my older one brumates for a couple of days then wakes up for who knows how long (you can never tell with him) and eats a bit and then goes back to sleep again.
Trish



02/04/14  02:23am


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