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 #1834474


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hey my mom said i could breed ball pythons as lng as i kept it all contained in my room because her brother (my uncle) used to and i spent a summer there and instantly fell in love with ball pythons and learned all about breeding she thought my dad would be ok with it seeing as he only took a little convincing with my lizards but when all of this was decided my dad was away on business at the time so i set up a racking system cost me around 70 bucks and when he got home he said he will not have a snake in his house he sais its a sign of evil and would never allow one to live near him and and i should develop some normal hobbies like sports and to stop being so weird i can usually convince him on things like this cause he said the same thing about my other herps but he seems dead set against it my mom said she’d help me hide one as a pet but obviously theres no way to conceal a breeding prject lol sorry about such a long post but would anyone please give me some tips on convincing or perhaps how to keep one hidden he rarely comes in my room but would notice if he was in one of my spare enclosures so if you can think of a hiding spot or have any pics it would be much appreciated also money is no object when it comes to set ups i have been working and saving since age 12 if you have read this this far i thank you for your time!
08/17/08  11:22pm

 #1834492


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   Message To: Leos for life   In reference to Message Id: 1834474


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Hey dude...

I was somewhat in the same boat. My parents *did not* like snakes AT ALL, and I told them I was going to buy a ball python. They said "No you’re not. Why would you want a snake!?! Are you an idiot????" LOL

Now I’m a pretty good kid when it comes to listening to my parents. But I wanted a BP badly. So I just said screw it and went out and bought one. A few months later, I have 4 ball pythons and I’ve got everything set up for my future breeding. (PS. My parents now think my BPs are cute! They won’t hold them or anything but it’s a start!)

I’m not telling you to deliberately disobey your parents LOL...but I fully support your hiding of BP(s)!!!! If I was you, I’d make a small rack/sliding system that goes under your bed.

I also wouldn’t recommend rebelling against your parents if you’re kinda young. I’m 21 and pretty much out of the house because of college and graduating soon so I figured it wouldn’t be the end of the world if I started this snake dealio up...

Hope this helps!!!!!!

Mitch
08/17/08  11:31pm

 #1834503


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   Message To: WorkoutMachine   In reference to Message Id: 1834492


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wel i really like th under the bed rack idea do u have any plans or pics for that? thanks it sounds awsome!
08/17/08  11:41pm

 #1834506


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Or you could just abide by your fathers decision until you are old enough to move out and make your own rules.
08/17/08  11:45pm

 #1834522


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thanks although not exactly the sort of help i was looking for lol but does anyone have any ideas on ball python concealing? lol
08/18/08  12:00am

 #1834539


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What happens when they need to take you out to suddenly get a lot more food? What happens when you get a large clutch and have to sell them?

Ultimately, it is impossible. Too bad this isn’t the advice you wanted, you can’t always get what you want.
08/18/08  12:38am

 #1834542


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   Message To: Reflex   In reference to Message Id: 1834539


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im not one of those spoiled little rich kids who just expect things to be dropped into my lap lol and i dont mean a breeding project cause that would not work i mean just one as a pet any ideas?
08/18/08  12:44am

 #1834588


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Quote:

im not one of those spoiled little rich kids who just expect things to be dropped into my lap

Never said that.

Even with one pet, you need to buy food. So.. How are you going to get to the pet store or other place and not have your parents suspicious?
08/18/08  02:51am

 #1834592


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...and what about when the snake needs to see the vet?

or the day your parents find it?

or the day it escapes?
08/18/08  03:05am

 #1834618


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   Message To: LoftLizard   In reference to Message Id: 1834592


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I do not support encouraging you to go against your father’s will or suggesting ways to conceal an animal. I know it’s not the answer you like, but you have your mother in your corner - so I would suggest working with your mom to convince him.

If your father says no - then that means no. Wait until you are old enough to have your own place and then it will be that much sweeter when you can finally get one and not have to hide it.



08/18/08  05:29am

 #1834756


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   Message To: Rabernet   In reference to Message Id: 1834618


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I’m sorry you don’t like the advice, but you need to look at it from outside the box.

You see it as - I want this and he’s being silly so I should just do it and as long as he doesn’t know it will be fine.

He will see it as - You lied to me. You broke my trust in you. I asked you not to, but you ignored my wishes and did as you wanted. You obviously don’t care about my feelings or concerns. I’ve provided for you all these years and you return my love with dishonesty? I don’t know what to think.


Ok, you got that? Can you understand the problems that are going to occur AFTER this point?

Look I’m a parent. I DO know what’s best for my two sons. They don’t always listen, but they either learn the hard way or complain and hate me til they see that I was protecting them until they were more capable of dealing with it. When I tell them something its not to be mean, its because I love them dearly and I don’t want them to have to go through what I went through. They are always going to test their limits, and that’s good, but they know they need to stop when I say "No". Do you have any idea how hard it is to tell your son he can’t have a puppy because you KNOW he won’t take care of it responsibly? Do you have any idea of how great it feels when he IS ready for it and you two can go and let him pick one out? As a parent, my first concern is "Are my sons safe?" My sons aren’t old enough to try to convince me of anything, but they understand the process of discussion and talking about things prior to just doing them. They also understand the consequences of disobedience.

What would your father do if you disobeyed him? Consider it.

We’re not trying to be mean to you, and I know it sucks - been there! But sometimes they love you so much they don’t think clearly. Sometimes you can sit down with them and tell them why you want to do this, how you plan on paying for it, etc. Talk to him and let him know that you might even make this a profitable thing later. Perhaps it will get you interested in Vetinary Medicine or Herpetology (and neither of those are bad careers). Just talk to him. If he still says "no" then postpone your plans for a little while. He will see this as obedience and he might even re-think he decision later. how much later, who knows. But at least you won’t have broken his trust.
08/18/08  10:58am

 #1834790


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   Message To: Brembo   In reference to Message Id: 1834756


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i have a good one tell your dad the snake is not a sign of evil its a sign of healing and medicine. you know the snake on the staff. its wrapped around it and is a symbol. also telll your dad that if they ever escape you will give them away. that will give him confidence that they never will get out.
08/18/08  11:28am

 #1834822


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   Message To: Leos for life   In reference to Message Id: 1834474


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ive got loads of ways:
make money off them
make a gud pet
easy to luk after
they dont take up a lot ov space
easy to handle
they r gud lukin in patterns



08/18/08  11:57am

 #1834900


Leos for life
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k thanks
08/18/08  01:05pm

 #1836236


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   Message To: Leos for life   In reference to Message Id: 1834900


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Thanks for all your advice i convinced him i am so glad i didn’t just up and buy one it wouldn’t have been very fair to the animal now all i have to do is present them with a buisiness plan and im in! i need to tell them how many kilowatt hours it will take ,exact pricing, care ,housing , and where i will be selling them and for how much does anyone know about how many kilowaatt hours zoomed heat cable uses a month and how much that would cost? thank you so much for all the advice i really appreciate it!!!
08/19/08  04:01pm

 #1836274


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   Message To: Leos for life   In reference to Message Id: 1836236


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Quote:

how much does anyone know about how many kilowaatt hours zoomed heat cable uses a month and how much that would cost?



As a mother, I would say YOU, not everyone else, needs to figure that out. Do some research and some math and you will figure it out. It’s called PROVING your ability to care for your pet and do what you have suggested. I’m sure if your parents wanted someone else giving those answers then they wouldn’t have asked you. If you are good with computers, why not do your research and then put together a power point and spreadsheet of expenses/profit. MS Office can help with that under Small Business Management Templates.

Word to the wise: LEARN IT FOR YOURSELF!

Good Luck!
08/19/08  04:44pm

 #1836329


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k thanks anyway!
08/19/08  05:28pm


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