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 #1152610


Nbsoldier101
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 Anacondas are a type of python

i was reading my bros h.w and it said they were



01/29/07  06:47pm

 #1152645


HGF
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  Message To: Nbsoldier101   In reference to Message Id: 1152610


 Anacondas are a type of python

This is news to me. Iíve always heard they were boas. They are even nicknamed the "water boa," but as always, I could be wrong. Any conda experts out there to clear this up?



01/29/07  07:05pm

 #1152992


Yellowfang
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  Message To: HGF   In reference to Message Id: 1152645


 Anacondas are a type of python

Anacondas are boas. Believe me.

Yellowafang



01/29/07  10:24pm

 #1153037


Murphyman
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  Message To: HGF   In reference to Message Id: 1152645


 Anacondas are a type of python

Quote:

Any conda experts out there to clear this up?


You do not have to be an expert to clear that up. It is a simple fact. They are boas, not pythons.

So just like Yellowfang said "Anacondas are boas. Believe me."

-Zack



01/29/07  10:48pm

 #1153084


Kingfan
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  Message To: Murphyman   In reference to Message Id: 1153037


 Anacondas are a type of python

yep, member of the boa family



01/29/07  11:27pm

 #1153302


King259
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  Message To: Kingfan   In reference to Message Id: 1153084


 Anacondas are a type of python

well, according to this, pythons are boas as well. check it out

Matt



01/30/07  08:00am

 #1153319


Chris78
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  Message To: King259   In reference to Message Id: 1153302


 Anacondas are a type of python

To be quite blunt, that website is wrong.



01/30/07  08:31am

 #1153353


Big_burm
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  Message To: Chris78   In reference to Message Id: 1153319


 Anacondas are a type of python

The website is not wrong. An anaconda is a type of boa, end of. All boas and pythons belong to the same family, boidae. They are then divided into sub-families which include pythons and boas among others. The specific type of snake is then classified by the genus. For example, a burmese python is classified as follows:

Family: boidae
sub-falimy: pythonidae (this is where boas and pythons split, anacondas go into the boa family here)
genus: python
species: python molurus
sub-species: python molurus bivittatus

Hope this clears it up!



01/30/07  09:30am

 #1153684


RePtiLOVER
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  Message To: Big_burm   In reference to Message Id: 1153353


 Anacondas are a type of python

The website isnít wrong, King just didnít comprehend what he was reading.



01/30/07  03:08pm

 #1153689


HerperNick
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  Message To: RePtiLOVER   In reference to Message Id: 1153684


 Anacondas are a type of python

Yes anacondas are boas because boas bear live births while pythons lay eggs.
Nick



01/30/07  03:13pm

 #1153788


Leira
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  Message To: HerperNick   In reference to Message Id: 1153689


 Anacondas are a type of python

Okay, so what big burm is saying is that pythons are in the same families as boas, or pythons ARE boas?



01/30/07  04:34pm

 #1153914


OzZy_101*
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  Message To: Leira   In reference to Message Id: 1153788


 Anacondas are a type of python

Anacondas ARE boas... the water boas !



01/30/07  05:37pm

 #1154262


Mathieu
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  Message To: Leira   In reference to Message Id: 1153788


 Anacondas are a type of python

It appears that this is not clear even for specialists. Please check out Wikipedia for "python".

According to certain sources, pythons and boas share the same scientific classification down to the superfamily (henophidia) which then splits into boidae, pythonidae, and other non mentioned families of primitive snakes.

According to other sources, the pythoninae (and not pythonidae this time) would be a subfamily of the boidae family.

Matter of fact, google boidae pythoninae pythonidae together and you get loads of site telling you the same thing: it depends who you ask... I guess even if there are scientific authorities on snakes around here, I doubt anyone would be able to give a definite answer on that particular issue :)



01/30/07  09:47pm

 #1154552


Snakebite4
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  Message To: Mathieu   In reference to Message Id: 1154262


 Anacondas are a type of python

they are certainly not the same pythons lay eggs while boas give birth to live young also pythons are considered the old world while boas are considered the new world



01/31/07  01:31am

 #1154691


Big_burm
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  Message To: Snakebite4   In reference to Message Id: 1154552


 Anacondas are a type of python

Regardless of where or what you check, anacondas belong to the boa family, pythons do not!! Anacondas ARE boas, not pythons!! if you go back far enough up the classification chain of course they are related, like lions and cheetas! But pythons and boas split before the species stage where an anaconda is, so catagorically they are NOT pythons, but boas, regardless of where you search.

True, people split families and sub-families, etc in different ways, but the anaconda always comes after pythons and boas split.

Hope this helps and makes it a little clearer.



01/31/07  09:39am

 #1154812


Mathieu
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  Message To: Snakebite4   In reference to Message Id: 1154552


 Anacondas are a type of python

Snakebite4, you can not keep a dilettante approach to a topic when a question both accurate and obviously dividing among the scientific community is raised. In that case, a 10 second google search would tell you that these certainties you acquired in a hobby are actually nothing close to solid ground.

As for the original question, I havenít seen any reference (granted Iím limited to google ^^) that shows the genus eunectes (anacondas) as part of the subfamily pythoninae. Meaning that even sources that consider pythons as part of the boa family (i.e. pythoninae as a subfamily of the boidae family, as opposed to pythonidae being a different family than boidae altogether) do not consider the anaconda as a python. Ever.



01/31/07  12:23pm

 #1155557


Snakebite4
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  Message To: Mathieu   In reference to Message Id: 1154812


 Anacondas are a type of python

mathieu one if your going to say im wrong which i dont think i am use words i actually know first and second i dont know what u are going for first u say that anacondas are part of the pythoninae family then u say they are not what is your awnser to this also re word your saying to me cuz i know im right on this one


also dont belive what google says i have found most of the stuff ive gotten from google is wrong and i email zoos now for better information



01/31/07  10:16pm

 #1155676


Joshsnakeman
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  Message To: Snakebite4   In reference to Message Id: 1155557


 Anacondas are a type of python

Hey if you want to believe they are pythons, thats cool, go ahead. Just 99.99 % of the world will disagree with you.



01/31/07  11:44pm

 #1155738


Snakebite4
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  Message To: Joshsnakeman   In reference to Message Id: 1155676


 Anacondas are a type of python

wait john if your talking to me i think well infact i know anacondas are boas and not pythons sry if i wasnt clear i never stated where i was going



02/01/07  12:41am

 #1155906


Ritt
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  Message To: Snakebite4   In reference to Message Id: 1155738


 Anacondas are a type of python

OK this thread has gone on absurdly long. "Pythons" were once considered to be a distinct family, Pythonidae. However, as biology improved, we began to learn to test molecular data, we began to better understand how evolution works, and we began classifying based on evolutionary relationships, rather than based on manufactured groups. The classic examples of these manufactured groups are the traditionally speaking íClassesí of Aves and Reptilia. Aves a sister taxa to Crocodylia (ie they share a common ancestor, some prehistoric Archosaur that diverged into two groups: crocodiles, and dinosaurs, which includes birds, as birds are an extant group of Theropod dinosaurs). Because Aves is embedded within Reptilia, they cannot be considered íClassesí of equal hierarchical status.

As this occured we began to understand that "Boas" and "Pythons" should actually be in the same Family: Boidae. On occasion you will still see a separate family for Pythons, however it is generally accepted that all boas and pythons form a single family. Anacondas are boas, that statement does not change, they are viviparous (live-bearing) and are embedded within boas. Does this mean that all boas are pythons or all pythons are boas? Not necessarily either. So far as I know, detailed enough work has not been done to determine the exact phylogeny (a phylogeny is a diagram showing how closely related groups of organisms are, evolutionarily speaking) of the boas and pythons, however two scenarios are possible. One: some anscestral Boid split into two lineages, one became viviparous (live-bearing), and diversified into all the boas, the other remained oviparous (egg-laying), and diversified into all the pythons. If this was the case, boas and pythons would be sister-groups, and you could not correctly call any boa (including anacondas) a python. Two: the second scenario is pythons were already diversifying (that is multiple species existed), and one of those species evolved viviparity (live-birth) and it diversified into all the boas. If this was the case, boas would be embedded within pythons, and you could not correctly say ípythonsí without including boas. (Similarly, you could consider anacondas, a type of boa, a python).

However, since these two different scenarios are possible, and it is unclear which is the way things actually happened, you can call anacondas boas, which is true, they are definitely boas. You can also call anacondas, and all other boas and pythons, boids. Until the exact phylogeny is clear, however, you anacondas should not be called pythons (as the sister-taxa scenario is possible, which would make that statement incorrect).

Here are links to a couple other sites that show the family Boidae including all boas and all pythons.
Animal Diversity Web - This site was put up by the University of Michigan Museum of Zoology, and is an excellent site for all things zoological
EMBL - This is an excellent site for groups of reptiles, sponsored by a European Molecular Biology Laboratory.

Hopefully this will help clear some things up, anacondas are definitely boas, but not necessarily pythons. Both boas and pythons are Boids in the family Boidae.
-Eric



02/01/07  08:50am

 #1156047


Mathieu
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  Message To: Snakebite4   In reference to Message Id: 1155557


 Anacondas are a type of python

Snakebite, if I use words you donít get, youíre welcome to reach for your dictionnary. Self learning stuff is not shameful. Then please read all the words someone used when you reply. I did reread my posts, since Iím not native english speaker I know I sometimes slips... I never wrote anacondas were part of pythoninae (or pythonidae for that matters).

You claim boas and pythons arenít from the same family and assume the shear strengh of your conviction makes you "right on this one". Well looks like Ritt knows a little bit what heís talking about and heís proving you wrong. Looks like many sources (from the evil google that doesnít speak the truth) prove you wrong too.

Now if you were NOT saying that "boas and pythons arenít from the same family", then I deeply apologize. In my defense Iíd then kindly suggest you use punctuation and write actual sentences instead of text messages. It really helps understanding as well as taking you somewhat seriously.



02/01/07  12:11pm

 #1156119


Elektra
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  Message To: Mathieu   In reference to Message Id: 1156047


 Anacondas are a type of python

When people resort to insulting the way somebody types during an argument (whether itís saying they use too many difficult words OR they use too much text speak) it shows immaturity on their part. Donít make yourselves look silly guys, the outcome of this debate isnít going to affect either of you personally so give your opinions without personal attacks, mmíkay?



02/01/07  01:22pm

 #1156177


Mathieu
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  Message To: Elektra   In reference to Message Id: 1156119


 Anacondas are a type of python

I donít get where you see insulting either way. I donít feel insulted by Snakebite and hope he wonít on his side. Calling us immature, on the other hand, Iím wondering ;)

I tease, no doubt about that, but I do have a hard time reading snakebiteís writing more often than not, and I donít see how just letting go is helping anyone (be it him, myself or anyone else reading). Again, Iím no native english speaker, so that might be the reason, but then again I read enough papers, books and forums to be inclined to assume otherwise.

Finally, I expect to read and participate to passionate debates on a forum about a passion. Passionate doesnít necessarily invoke anger or pain on either side. Again I hope thatís not the case here



02/01/07  02:24pm

 #1168788


K. J Brain
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  Message To: Nbsoldier101   In reference to Message Id: 1152610


 Anacondas are a type of python

Anacondas Are a type of boa
Name: Green Anaconda
Scientific name: Eunectes murinus
AKA: "Water boa"a they are very closly related to the rainbow boa



02/11/07  05:54am


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