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Nbsoldier101 View Profile |
Anacondas are a type of python
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| 01/29/07 06:47pm |
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HGF View Profile |
Message To: Nbsoldier101 In reference to Message Id: 1152610 Anacondas are a type of python
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| 01/29/07 07:05pm |
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Yellowfang View Profile |
Message To: HGF In reference to Message Id: 1152645 Anacondas are a type of python
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| 01/29/07 10:24pm |
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Murphyman View Profile |
Message To: HGF In reference to Message Id: 1152645 Anacondas are a type of python
Quote: Any conda experts out there to clear this up?
You do not have to be an expert to clear that up. It is a simple fact. They are boas, not pythons. So just like Yellowfang said "Anacondas are boas. Believe me." -Zack |
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| 01/29/07 10:48pm |
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Kingfan View Profile |
Message To: Murphyman In reference to Message Id: 1153037 Anacondas are a type of python
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| 01/29/07 11:27pm |
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King259 View Profile |
Message To: Kingfan In reference to Message Id: 1153084 Anacondas are a type of python
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| 01/30/07 08:00am |
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Chris78 View Profile |
Message To: King259 In reference to Message Id: 1153302 Anacondas are a type of python
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| 01/30/07 08:31am |
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Big_burm View Profile |
Message To: Chris78 In reference to Message Id: 1153319 Anacondas are a type of python
Family: boidae sub-falimy: pythonidae (this is where boas and pythons split, anacondas go into the boa family here) genus: python species: python molurus sub-species: python molurus bivittatus Hope this clears it up! |
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| 01/30/07 09:30am |
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RePtiLOVER View Profile |
Message To: Big_burm In reference to Message Id: 1153353 Anacondas are a type of python
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| 01/30/07 03:08pm |
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HerperNick View Profile |
Message To: RePtiLOVER In reference to Message Id: 1153684 Anacondas are a type of python
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| 01/30/07 03:13pm |
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Leira View Profile |
Message To: HerperNick In reference to Message Id: 1153689 Anacondas are a type of python
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| 01/30/07 04:34pm |
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OzZy_101* View Profile |
Message To: Leira In reference to Message Id: 1153788 Anacondas are a type of python
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| 01/30/07 05:37pm |
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Mathieu View Profile |
Message To: Leira In reference to Message Id: 1153788 Anacondas are a type of python
According to certain sources, pythons and boas share the same scientific classification down to the superfamily (henophidia) which then splits into boidae, pythonidae, and other non mentioned families of primitive snakes. According to other sources, the pythoninae (and not pythonidae this time) would be a subfamily of the boidae family. Matter of fact, google boidae pythoninae pythonidae together and you get loads of site telling you the same thing: it depends who you ask... I guess even if there are scientific authorities on snakes around here, I doubt anyone would be able to give a definite answer on that particular issue :) |
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| 01/30/07 09:47pm |
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Snakebite4 View Profile |
Message To: Mathieu In reference to Message Id: 1154262 Anacondas are a type of python
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| 01/31/07 01:31am |
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Big_burm View Profile |
Message To: Snakebite4 In reference to Message Id: 1154552 Anacondas are a type of python
True, people split families and sub-families, etc in different ways, but the anaconda always comes after pythons and boas split. Hope this helps and makes it a little clearer. |
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| 01/31/07 09:39am |
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Mathieu View Profile |
Message To: Snakebite4 In reference to Message Id: 1154552 Anacondas are a type of python
As for the original question, I haven’t seen any reference (granted I’m limited to google ^^) that shows the genus eunectes (anacondas) as part of the subfamily pythoninae. Meaning that even sources that consider pythons as part of the boa family (i.e. pythoninae as a subfamily of the boidae family, as opposed to pythonidae being a different family than boidae altogether) do not consider the anaconda as a python. Ever. |
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| 01/31/07 12:23pm |
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Snakebite4 View Profile |
Message To: Mathieu In reference to Message Id: 1154812 Anacondas are a type of python
also dont belive what google says i have found most of the stuff ive gotten from google is wrong and i email zoos now for better information |
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| 01/31/07 10:16pm |
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Joshsnakeman View Profile |
Message To: Snakebite4 In reference to Message Id: 1155557 Anacondas are a type of python
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| 01/31/07 11:44pm |
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Snakebite4 View Profile |
Message To: Joshsnakeman In reference to Message Id: 1155676 Anacondas are a type of python
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| 02/01/07 12:41am |
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Ritt View Profile |
Message To: Snakebite4 In reference to Message Id: 1155738 Anacondas are a type of python
As this occured we began to understand that "Boas" and "Pythons" should actually be in the same Family: Boidae. On occasion you will still see a separate family for Pythons, however it is generally accepted that all boas and pythons form a single family. Anacondas are boas, that statement does not change, they are viviparous (live-bearing) and are embedded within boas. Does this mean that all boas are pythons or all pythons are boas? Not necessarily either. So far as I know, detailed enough work has not been done to determine the exact phylogeny (a phylogeny is a diagram showing how closely related groups of organisms are, evolutionarily speaking) of the boas and pythons, however two scenarios are possible. One: some anscestral Boid split into two lineages, one became viviparous (live-bearing), and diversified into all the boas, the other remained oviparous (egg-laying), and diversified into all the pythons. If this was the case, boas and pythons would be sister-groups, and you could not correctly call any boa (including anacondas) a python. Two: the second scenario is pythons were already diversifying (that is multiple species existed), and one of those species evolved viviparity (live-birth) and it diversified into all the boas. If this was the case, boas would be embedded within pythons, and you could not correctly say ’pythons’ without including boas. (Similarly, you could consider anacondas, a type of boa, a python). However, since these two different scenarios are possible, and it is unclear which is the way things actually happened, you can call anacondas boas, which is true, they are definitely boas. You can also call anacondas, and all other boas and pythons, boids. Until the exact phylogeny is clear, however, you anacondas should not be called pythons (as the sister-taxa scenario is possible, which would make that statement incorrect). Here are links to a couple other sites that show the family Boidae including all boas and all pythons. Animal Diversity Web - This site was put up by the University of Michigan Museum of Zoology, and is an excellent site for all things zoological EMBL - This is an excellent site for groups of reptiles, sponsored by a European Molecular Biology Laboratory. Hopefully this will help clear some things up, anacondas are definitely boas, but not necessarily pythons. Both boas and pythons are Boids in the family Boidae. -Eric |
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| 02/01/07 08:50am |
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Mathieu View Profile |
Message To: Snakebite4 In reference to Message Id: 1155557 Anacondas are a type of python
You claim boas and pythons aren’t from the same family and assume the shear strengh of your conviction makes you "right on this one". Well looks like Ritt knows a little bit what he’s talking about and he’s proving you wrong. Looks like many sources (from the evil google that doesn’t speak the truth) prove you wrong too. Now if you were NOT saying that "boas and pythons aren’t from the same family", then I deeply apologize. In my defense I’d then kindly suggest you use punctuation and write actual sentences instead of text messages. It really helps understanding as well as taking you somewhat seriously. |
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| 02/01/07 12:11pm |
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Elektra View Profile |
Message To: Mathieu In reference to Message Id: 1156047 Anacondas are a type of python
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| 02/01/07 01:22pm |
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Mathieu View Profile |
Message To: Elektra In reference to Message Id: 1156119 Anacondas are a type of python
I tease, no doubt about that, but I do have a hard time reading snakebite’s writing more often than not, and I don’t see how just letting go is helping anyone (be it him, myself or anyone else reading). Again, I’m no native english speaker, so that might be the reason, but then again I read enough papers, books and forums to be inclined to assume otherwise. Finally, I expect to read and participate to passionate debates on a forum about a passion. Passionate doesn’t necessarily invoke anger or pain on either side. Again I hope that’s not the case here |
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| 02/01/07 02:24pm |
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K. J Brain View Profile |
Message To: Nbsoldier101 In reference to Message Id: 1152610 Anacondas are a type of python
Name: Green Anaconda Scientific name: Eunectes murinus AKA: "Water boa"a they are very closly related to the rainbow boa |
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