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 #1778941


Clawedfrogsrule
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 Petition in need of signatures

so I made an online petition against the proposed US-Mexican border fence, I think it is a poorly planned waste of money, and it WILL have a really bad impact on the environment. There are a lot of endangered species in that region, and the fence will prevent necessary migration and reproduction. PLEASE sign my petition, I’m writing a letter to some politicians and a good amount of support from people everywhere would be a big help.
Link

hopefully the link works...thanks for reading and possibly signing :)



06/30/08  07:25pm

 #1778952


Clawedfrogsrule
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  Message To: Clawedfrogsrule   In reference to Message Id: 1778941


 Petition in need of signatures

hold on...don’t use that link, it’s wrong lol
use this one Link

sorry about that!



06/30/08  07:41pm

 #1779659


DuckMonster
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  Message To: Clawedfrogsrule   In reference to Message Id: 1778941


 Petition in need of signatures

Foolishness. You will also probably start an online petition for the return of your rights when we lose this country. A country that does not or can not control its borders does not remain a country. But I suppose thats OK with you. Since you are worried about environmental damage, consider for a minute the damage being done by literally millions of feet tramping through those ’senstive’ areas, littlering, breaking shrubbery for fire wood and such. But hey, go ahead and let and invasion happen, just so you feel good.



07/01/08  01:57pm

 #1779753


Clawedfrogsrule
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  Message To: DuckMonster   In reference to Message Id: 1779659


 Petition in need of signatures

wow, it’s been a while since we’ve had a chat, where’ve you been? lol
no, it’s not ok with me if we lose our country, but I think losing our environmental diversity is a much bigger problem as it effects EVERYONE on a global scale.
The fence is going to cost billions of dollars, that’s a lot of money that can go towards much better things, and rather than destroy life with it, why not help save life? People are coming into the US for a better life...maybe the issue we should be working on is making sure that people have access to what they need to survive so they won’t have to break laws and cross borders. There is a much bigger social issue here than any fence can "fix".
And the US has waived over 30 environmental laws to hasten the building process...breaking laws to enforce laws...is that what our country stands for?
And anyway I think a world without borders would be a much better place...I’m sure that thought must make you cringe...but I’d much rather have togetherness than division. There are too many separation factors, we’re all just people in the end.



07/01/08  03:22pm

 #1779791


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  Message To: Clawedfrogsrule   In reference to Message Id: 1779753


 Petition in need of signatures

So, it’s not OK to lose our country, yet you think a world without borders would be nice? Have you by any chance had the opportunity to travel outside of the US? I have, extensively - Europe, Pacific countries, Canada and Mexico, the Carribean. I can tell you, without reservation, that we do have the Best Country on the planet for the people who live there. However, this is changing rapidly for the worse as we surrender to an invasion of illegals (supported by BOTH sides of the political spectrum) and the growing Nanny State and the dependence it causes. We are rapidly progressing through Socialism to something much worse, and the American public seems to cheerfully support it.

The problems in Mexico that cause this flood of people seeking a better life need to be fixed BY Mexico. What Mexico is doing is exporting their problems to us. The problems caused here by this flood of people can be fixed by us here, starting with stopping the flood, followed by enforcing the laws we already have. Prosecute businesses hiring illegals, deporting these illegals as they are found. Key word is "Illegal".

The fence will cost lots of money, but so do all the social issues caused by these illegals. The health care they do not pay for (that we do), the education they do not pay for (that we do), the cost of prosecuting, deporting that they do not pay for (but we do). Billions? At least that much. And ’waiving’ compliance with a law is not breaking it.

Yes, we are just people in the end, but try explaining that to a culture that, because of who you are, wants you dead or subjugated, as those radicals in the Arab world do. The world at large is NOT a nice place. What we have here is so special, that it should be jealously guarded and defended, lest we lose it.

Yes it has been a while. Been working alot on the road and trying to keep things going at the house on weekends. how have you been? ;^)



07/01/08  03:57pm

 #1779815


Clawedfrogsrule
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  Message To: DuckMonster   In reference to Message Id: 1779791


 Petition in need of signatures

A world without borders would be nice, but as idealistic as I am, I’m also realistic in that I’m not expecting it any time soon, and so for the time being I accept that our country is a separate entity from others, and should be allowed to flourish. I haven’t been fortunate enough to travel so extensively, and we may have a great country, but it can still be better.
I wouldn’t say we’re being invaded by illegals, they’re just people trying to provide for their families. And while Mexico should have a responsibility to protect it’s citizens, maybe as humans we all just have a responsibility to eachother. If I was in a bad situation like that, I would hope that somebody would step up and help me, regardless of background.
Some parts of the world may not be very nice, and what we have here is so special because we have the freedom to live and believe as we choose, militarizing it with fences and guns really seems to clash with the overall portrait of our country.

I’ve been good, busy hugging trees, promoting peace and love and all that lol



07/01/08  04:20pm

 #1779833


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  Message To: Clawedfrogsrule   In reference to Message Id: 1779815


 Petition in need of signatures

Peace and Love are good things. But sometimes they are not allowed and we must give War a Chance. Look at the good it did for Europe in the 50’s thru the mid 80’s. Though it is now on a cultural death-spiral. I would definitely welcome a Real militarization of our southern border. For the record, I am NOT anti-immigrant, and I applaud anyone trying to make a better life. There are legal ways to immigrate to this country, millions have done it. More will do so in the future. But it needs controlled to allow thoses immigrating to assimilate to our English-speaking culture. What we have with the illegals is a flood of non-assimilating people some of whom work, some don’t, most of whom send the $ back home. In the meantime, they make liberal use of our social systems without contributing financially to them.

As far as the argument about the wall, some people try to compare it to the Berlin Wall. This is a specious argument. The Berlin Wall was to keep people in, keep them captive. Not so a southern border wall. When the population of illegals rises to the point that they are bold enough to take down a US flag at a Post Office and raise the Mexican flag, things have gone too far. Take the time to Google La Raza, and Reconquista, see what you think.



07/01/08  04:29pm

 #1780001


Clawedfrogsrule
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  Message To: DuckMonster   In reference to Message Id: 1779833


 Petition in need of signatures

A wall isn’t going to solve all of our problems, people will still find ways around/under/through, and it won’t help the underlying issues. I think we should focus on real solutions rather than a bandaid that brings even more problems into the picture.
I did google both those terms, I see their perspective, I’m not sure where to stand entirely. In general I’m a really moderate person (as hard as that may be to believe, it’s completely true). I don’t see a truly right or wrong answer here, they want their land back, and if I was in that position, I probably would too. That doesn’t make it right...it’s a tough issue.



07/01/08  08:12pm

 #1780325


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  Message To: Clawedfrogsrule   In reference to Message Id: 1780001


 Petition in need of signatures

Ah, the joys of relativism. No real right or wrong. Clawed, those groups claim the land as their ancestral place. Yet they are descendants of Europeans, same as we are. Most Mexicans are of Spanish descent. So, ????. They are Caucasian too, as we are. Cries of ’racism’ are flatly misguided and only used to muddy the thinking of those who do not see clearly anyway. Their predecessors lost that territory fair and square by getting their butts kicked, and some by actually selling that ’worthless’ desert land to those silly Yanquis. They have no claim.

No, a wall or fence would not end the problem, but neither is that a valid reason to do nothing and hope things work out ok. Gun laws do nothing to prevent gun crime, yet I am sure that you support them, and those laws violate your right as an American to keep and bear arms. Building that wall violates no Americans rights, and would fact work to preserve them.

Good morning by the way



07/02/08  07:50am

 #1780994


Clawedfrogsrule
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  Message To: DuckMonster   In reference to Message Id: 1780325


 Petition in need of signatures

All in all I think the people of Mexico have had it pretty rough, they were basically raped by the Spanish, and then we took their land...I think people have a right to be resentful.
As for gun laws, I don’t like guns, BUT as long as they do exist, I think we have our right to bear them. In Southern states where most people do own guns, there seem to be a lot less gun related crimes than here in the Northern US.
Building the wall might not technically violate our rights, but it does violate the land, and I can’t support that.

Good evening lol



07/02/08  07:57pm

 #1782111


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  Message To: Clawedfrogsrule   In reference to Message Id: 1780994


 Petition in need of signatures

if we do this to all the illegals we find, then we could scare them away!! lol
http://www.you tube.com/watch?v=OwlkYc8fOqM
BTW im not for this whole illegal immigrants

MERICA!



07/03/08  07:34pm

 #1782389


DuckMonster
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  Message To: Clawedfrogsrule   In reference to Message Id: 1780994


 Petition in need of signatures

There is probably a homeless person within a few miles of your home. Invite him in, let him wander in and out, eat as he wishes, drop trash where he wishes, sleep where he wishes without regard to your house rules. After all, he has had a rough time of it. Maybe your home is built where he used to set up his camp. And why stop at one, go for five or ten and you’d soon begin to see what is happening to our country.

Building your home violated the land and habitat that was there before it. What about the trees that were felled instead of hugged? The cute cuddly bunnies? They had to run for their lives!! The truth of it is, we were given the earth to use, to live on. A wall or fence does not violate the land any more than your home does.



07/03/08  11:24pm

 #1782631


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  Message To: DuckMonster   In reference to Message Id: 1782389


 Petition in need of signatures

Happy 4th!!! 232 years of Freedom



07/04/08  09:43am

 #1782648


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  Message To: DuckMonster   In reference to Message Id: 1782631


 Petition in need of signatures

We’re losing our freedom slowly, but 232 years is pretty long. You have made a great point-this wall will not do anything worse than all of the homes being built. Happy 4th to you too.

-GG22



07/04/08  10:05am

 #1782665


DuckMonster
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  Message To: GECKOGIRL22   In reference to Message Id: 1782648


 Petition in need of signatures

Thanks GeckoGirl, yes we are losing them, the same way you would boil a frog. Turn the heat up a little bit at a time, the frog never notices until it is too late. It is the same process for destroying freedom. Little chips at it here and there, until finally all you have is rubble where once was freedom.



07/04/08  10:23am

 #1783825


Clawedfrogsrule
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  Message To: DuckMonster   In reference to Message Id: 1782665


 Petition in need of signatures

My grandma used to invite homeless people into her house, they were always appreciative and didn’t leave trash everywhere...just saying.

Building this wall will have a worse effect than a house. By cutting off migratory routes, a number of already endangered animals won’t be able to reproduce and the population will decline. Building a house forces us to try to coexist with nature, it doesn’t completely kill it (hopefully, in most cases). And this fence would require a much larger scale of environmental destruction than even a large neighborhood...this is 700 miles, that’s huge. And expensive. Honestly, if you took that money and even put it towards just beefing up security without the actual wall, I think that would be a better idea from a wildlife standpoint.



07/05/08  07:02pm

 #1783881


DuckMonster
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  Message To: Clawedfrogsrule   In reference to Message Id: 1783825


 Petition in need of signatures

The homeless in your house was an analogy, that IS what these illegals are doing, wandering in and trashing the place, so to speak.

I do believe that one of the planks in the environmental movement nowadays is that ANY impact by Man is bad. Do not look at the magnitude, just the presence. As far as endangered migratory animals, can you name them? What are the species you speak of?

Building a house forces us to coexist? Then why pray tell do ELF and EarthFirst whackos burn housing developments to protest the ’destruction’ of habitat? And again, I say to you, if you think the fence is environmentally damaging, then please research the damage done by these large numbers of people ’migrating’ so they can ’reproduce’ and use our resources.

We are trying to take that money and beef up security......by building a border wall.

Happy 4th



07/05/08  08:10pm

 #1784029


Clawedfrogsrule
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  Message To: DuckMonster   In reference to Message Id: 1783881


 Petition in need of signatures

Well the species of particular concern are the jaguar and ocelot, though I’m sure there are more that aren’t really reported on because they’re not so cute and cuddly (unlike the polar bears everyone is going crazy over).
extremist organizations burn housing developments because they see us as taking over land that should just belong to nature...I don’t agree with their methods at all, and burning establishments only adds to the green house gases in the air and makes everything around inhospitable...very ill planned considering the overall cause.
I probably have more to say...but I gotta run... so yeah lol

Happy belated 4th to you too



07/05/08  10:33pm

 #1784118


DuckMonster
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  Message To: Clawedfrogsrule   In reference to Message Id: 1784029


 Petition in need of signatures

Frogs, I am out of time for a day or two, as I must drive from TN to NJ, spewing untold tons of GHG’s into the air from my internal combustion sports car. But, rest assured, I will eventually rebut your post :^), as it needs to be. Sure wish others would join in, love a spirited discussion.



07/05/08  11:50pm

 #1784707


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  Message To: DuckMonster   In reference to Message Id: 1784118


 Petition in need of signatures

I think a fence would be great, but this wasn’t planned or put together right. Maybe next time it will be better



07/06/08  05:37pm

 #1785228


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  Message To: Reptililian Boy   In reference to Message Id: 1784707


 Petition in need of signatures

Well, your post started off on the right foot, but faltered quickly.



07/06/08  11:11pm

 #1785324


Reptililian Boy
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  Message To: DuckMonster   In reference to Message Id: 1785228


 Petition in need of signatures

Here’s what I think...illegals roam all aroung my area in California and it’s ok, but almost all of them are here illegally. They are making my area poorer and bankrupting this country faster. They do look for work which is one good thing, but...maybe I heard something that was wrong...I’m an independent fly in a swarm of liberals here in California...sorry, I didn’t sign it or anything since I’m underaged, but I know my mistake and I change my opinion. Also, if you have ever been in California, it’s ridiculous...the laws and people here are so stupid. My school had 3 kids who LIKED comunism and said Bush should get impeached and all that crap...anyway, they have critisism and ideas, but no solutions or willingness to do anything. Typical liberal Californians...sorry if I got a little off topic but that’s what I think

Alec



07/07/08  12:42am

 #1785599


DuckMonster
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  Message To: Reptililian Boy   In reference to Message Id: 1785324


 Petition in need of signatures

Alec, NOW you are making sense. You are living the nightmare and seem to have the ability to see some of the important issues and consequences of what is happening to us. I grew up in SoCal. Long Beach and Lakewood. So, yes I am aware of the sad state of affairs there, but alarmingly, it is NOT just there, the problems are going nation wide. The time is coming for a resolution to this problem, and I fear it will be painful for us all.



07/07/08  11:10am

 #1785604


Clawedfrogsrule
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  Message To: Reptililian Boy   In reference to Message Id: 1785324


 Petition in need of signatures

you don’t have to apologize for having opinions, you’re free to think whatever you want lol
I’m an independant too, and here in NY there are tons of liberals also, they’re not bad people, we all just have different views. I don’t want to label myself as either conservative or liberal because I feel it’s too one sided, and I’m somewhere in the middle. I’ve known "communists", they basically just want to rid the world of poverty and close the gap between the social classes, it’s admirable in that sense, but having the government control EVERYTHING is where I think it’s wrong. People tend not to see that aspect of it though. I agree with you in that criticism without a solution is completely pointless, but I guess in some ways, pointing out flaws is the first step toward correcting them...you have to be aware of something first in order to fix it.



07/07/08  11:14am

 #1785812


Reptililian Boy
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  Message To: Clawedfrogsrule   In reference to Message Id: 1785604


 Petition in need of signatures

cool thanks, my opinion changes a lot since I really don’t have of a good knowledge of certain things, but I know what’s right. "communism" sorry I typed a little too fast. Anyway, NY is a liberal state so I would expect you to have some there.

Alec



07/07/08  03:01pm

 #1785945


DuckMonster
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  Message To: Reptililian Boy   In reference to Message Id: 1785812


 Petition in need of signatures

Alec, you sound as though you have the ability to step back and look around you, to think about what you see vs what you are told. Excellent. I hope you do not lose that. Here is a quote to think about:

Bad people tell lies. Foolish people believe them. Weak people join the crowd. Consequences ensue.

Some recent lies?

Rich people are evil and should be over taxed.

Global warming (man-Made)

Earth can’t supoort over 3 billion (OK, maybe not so recent, but.....)

Illegals just want a better life (I do too, should I rob a bank?)

The wall won’t work.

Big oil is driving up prices

We can’t drill our way out of this high price

I could go on........Please retain that ability to think.



07/07/08  04:49pm

 #1785953


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  Message To: Clawedfrogsrule   In reference to Message Id: 1784029


 Petition in need of signatures

jaguar and ocelot

OK, Lets look:

JAGUAR
Diet

Deer, peccary, crocodiles, snakes, monkeys, deer, sloths, tapirs, turtles, eggs, frogs, fish and anything else it can catch.

Population

The total number of jaguars throughout their range is unknown.

Range
The jaguar can be found in Arizona, New Mexico and Texas and from Mexico all the way down to Patagonia. It is rare in the United States and is a federal endangered species.

Behavior
The jaguar makes its home in a wide-variety of habitats including deciduous forests, rainforests, swamps, pampas grasslands and mountain scrub areas. They are solitary animals and live and hunt alone, except during mating season. The male’s home range is between 19-53 square miles. The female’s home range is between 10-37 square miles. A male jaguar may share his home range with several females. He will aggressively protect his home range from other males to ensure that any females in his territory mate only with him.

The jaguar hunts mostly on the ground, but it sometimes climbs a tree and pounces on its prey from above. It has very powerful jaws and sharp teeth and usually kills its prey with one crushing bite to the skull. Unlike most big cats, the jaguar loves the water. It often swims, bathes and plays in streams and pools. It will also hunt for fish in the water.

Scientists classify cats by their voice boxes. All members of the big cat family can roar, but other cats can’t. The jaguar makes a roar that sounds like a deep, chesty cough.

Reproduction
Mating Season May occur year-round
Gestation 90-110 days
Litter size 1-4 kittens
Kittens stay with their mother from 1-1 ½ years.

Threats

Human population growth and agricultural expansion, as well as hunting and poaching by livestock ranchers. They are considered endangered throughout their entire range.

From the Diet section, it looks as though the range is mostly in SOUTH AMERICA. Some in the American southwest, but most not. No where did I see mentioned anything about MIGRATION. Even under threats, it did not mention border controls. As an aside, CATS do not migrate as such. They claim and control territories. Or did you mean perhaps the Jaguar XK? That particular ’cat’ has been seen ’migrating’ swiftly down many highways in America, and yes, I think a wall in front of that cat would be bad.

OCELOT

Twice the size of the average housecat, the ocelot is a sleek animal with a gorgeous dappled coat. These largely nocturnal cats use keen sight and hearing to hunt rabbits, rodents, iguanas, fish, and frogs. They also take to the trees and stalk monkeys or birds. Unlike many cats, they do not avoid water and can swim well.

Like other cats, ocelots are adapted for eating meat. They have pointed fangs used to deliver a killing bite, and sharp back teeth that can tear food like scissors. Ocelots do not have teeth appropriate for chewing, so they tear their food to pieces and swallow it whole. Their raspy tongues can clean a bone of every last tasty morsel.

Many ocelots live under the leafy canopies of South American rain forests, but they also inhabit brushlands and can be found as far north as Texas. These cats can adapt to human habitats and are sometimes found in the vicinity of villages or other settlements.

Ocelots’ fine fur has made them the target of countless hunters, and in many areas they are quite rare, including Texas, where they are endangered. Ocelots are protected in the United States and most other countries where they live.

Female ocelots have litters of two or three darkly colored kittens. In northern locations females den in the autumn, while in tropical climes the breeding season may not be fixed.

Well, it appears that Ocelots are also MOSTLY in South to Central America, do not migrate, and HORRORS!!! it appears they can adapt to humans and are at times found in the vicinty of villages. I have not seen any Ocelots moving swiftly on a highway though.

POLAR BEARS

There are more polar bears now than there were 100 years ago, more than 50 years ago. They are fine and are ONLY mentioned in an attempt to persuade weak minds that Global Warming is a coming catastrophe. As well, it is an attempt to force controls over the population for some rather ’bad’ agendas.



07/07/08  05:00pm

 #1785986


DuckMonster
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  Message To: Reptililian Boy   In reference to Message Id: 1785812


 Petition in need of signatures

Just an example

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2041990/posts



07/07/08  05:29pm

 #1786182


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  Message To: DuckMonster   In reference to Message Id: 1785986


 Petition in need of signatures

That’s the stupidest thing I’ve heard. And humans still won’t blame themselves for global warming, as insignificant as it is.

-GG22



07/07/08  08:23pm

 #1786216


DuckMonster
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  Message To: GECKOGIRL22   In reference to Message Id: 1786182


 Petition in need of signatures

Not sure what your point is. Should we blame ourselves?

If so I would say to you:

1) Define for me: "WHAT is the NORMAL climate for this planet?"

2) Given that the CO2 levels have been higher in past epochs, and the temps did not "wipe out life as we know it", what is th eissue?

3) Given that plants do well in higher CO2 environment, Given that ’greenies’ want us to go ’Vegan’, would not a higher CO2 level allow more plants for us to eat? Maybe more trees to absorb CO2?

Stupid? Read, Reasearch, Know. Feelings are irrlevant to reality.



07/07/08  08:40pm
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